Congratulations to Chris Mooney on his Templeton-Cambridge Journalism Fellowship in Science & Religion

Add my congrats to the list. This is an area that needs discussion and dialog, not both sides screaming about the other's ignorance. Fellowships such as this one promote this exchange of ideas (dare I say in a civilized manner), and I'm betting a really interesting book may come out of this effort.
w00t!

I didn't bother adding my thoughts on Mooney's post, past the 100 comment point it seems to be akin to pissing in the ocean. As I noted on my blog recently I've frequently been critical of him on the issue of Framing, but outside of framing I think he's a very adept science journalist and an effective interviewer to boot.

I find it difficult to see Templeton as some malign force in the world of reason. While I disagree with some things they support and do agree that they tend to favor writers who are too willing to concede points to the religious viewpoint to the detriment of the scientific one, they also are genuinely engaged in at least attempting to find common ground and work from there. So good for them.

I see nothing wrong with Mooney getting, and accepting, this opportunity and I wish him all the best.

I'm sure this is not an original thought but since day 1, I've found his writing facile, shallow, and biased. Where is his reporting on the abuses of science by conservation organizations? It is hard to be a scientist and a liberal, watching the conservation organizations (not all, of course) doing the same kinds of things that the Bush Administration was rightly critized for and getting a free pass from the science writers. It is certainly not as pervasive, in fact it isn't even common, and obviously, they are motivated by good rather than evil. But when you distort or ignore science to get the outcome you desire, or go science shopping until you find someone who supports your desired outcome, and trash or silence all others....live by the sword, die by the sword. Mooney is only writing about 1/2 the picture, and not doing so in a rigorous way.

Your statistics about "jewish" nobel prize winners are misleading. The site you reference counts as "jewish" any scientist of jewish ancestry, whether personally religious or not.

The religous beliefs of Nobel winners aren't systematically recorded, but I would bet that most of the names on those lists are in fact "secular jews" or what we sometimes call "gastronomic jews." And I would bet that, if a true count were taken, the only group with a convincing disproportion compared to the population would be non-believers.

There was a period when Templeton was 'exploring' intelligent design, so I do have problems with Templeton. But rather than make a substantive argument, I would prefer to nitpick: I think you mean that Jews are 0.2% of the world's population. If there are ~120 million of us, I'm certainly not aware that.

@Mike #5 - You are correct, sir. About 2% of the U.S. population is Jewish but that's 0.25% of the world population - I fixed it in text above. Thanks also for bringing to my attention that Templeton had funded work to explore intelligent design. Sounds a bit like how NIH's NCCAM "explores" areas.

@David #4 - I was being semi-dramatic with my point that being associated with a particular faith might increase one's chance of a Nobel Prize.

@Joan #3 - I can't speak for Mr. Mooney but I'm not sure that he has ever endeavored to expose science abuses by conservation organizations. If you are concerned about this oversight, you might care to e-mail him.

#Pascale and Rev Matt - Thanks for acknowledging the spirit with which I offer my congratulations. We don't always have to agree with each others to learn from one another. Sure beats mindless screaming at one another.

According to my mother, all Nobel Prize winners are Jewish. All successful people (unless they are conservatives) are Jewish. They may not know it, they may hide it, but trust her - they are Jewish. She's quite certain that Obama and Michelle must be Jewish, too.

The religous beliefs of Nobel winners aren't systematically recorded, but I would bet that most of the names on those lists are in fact "secular jews" or what we sometimes call "gastronomic jews."

Some, like Richard Feynman, are indeed on record as being atheists.

I agree that atheists are probably drastically overrepresented among Nobel Prize winners.

I was being semi-dramatic with my point that being associated with a particular faith might increase one's chance of a Nobel Prize.

Maybe I'm just being autistic, but... why did you write it, then? If you meant it as a joke, you should have marked it as such; it's written â we can't hear your tone of voice or see your face. On the Internet, nothing is an obvious joke; for any opinion somebody can be found who holds it sincerely.

Abel said: "I think all of us in the biomedical sciences know investigators who have taken funding from the tobacco industry"

I sure as shit don't. Maybe your sample is a little polluted given its geographical centre and the proximity of the University that Tobacco Built?

@antipodean - Guessing from your pseud that you are in/from Australia or NZ but these grants were pretty widespread across the US, not just here in TobaccoLand. I might also be showing my age as well. In the late 1980s and early 90s, an org called The Council for Tobacco Research gave $10-50K USD grants for any types of pilot projects related to cancer causation and prevention. This was before the Master Tobacco Settlement Agreement and before cash-starved academic medical centers stopped taking tobacco money. I never had a CTR grant myself but I do remember applying to them several times while a postdoc.

My comment, from Paul Myers' attack on Chris:

"Paul, I think this is just demogoguery on your part. I have spoken to two Templeton recipients, and neither of them claimed that the Templeton Foundation had in any way tried to influence their work, either in terms of the direction it went, or the content of it. So, as far as I can tell, your objection boils down to "They are talking about religion!" I know you don't like that, but surely there's nothing wrong about that in the abstract?
Wild claims that people must be taking religion's side in what it is entirely unclear to me is a case of mutually exclusive choices do nothing at all to make your views look sensible and rational. If you have evidence that Templeton money comes with strings, present it, and we will all point in "J'accuse" fashion at them. Otherwise, your attack seems to be merely that anyone who does not exclude religion from civil discourse is a poopyhead.

Which makes me one.

I should apply for a Templeton grant just to annoy you..."

RE: comments 9 and 10, I think it's an age thing maybe, or maybe a discipline thing too - in the public health sciences, people's heads would explode if you took tobacco money these days (other than MTSA funds.)

(I'm a N. American in Oz.)

Hi Abel

I guess age and geography bias us all.

My experience would be like Ginger's. You take money from tobacco and your career is over.

Thanks for the even handed thoughts on this. I felt very uncomfortable with the criticism aimed at Chris Mooney over this. Leaving the details of what The Templeton Foundation is involved in aside (as an organisation I have a poor opinion of where their priorities lie as regards science and religion) and how atheist-scientists (including myself) feel about what the relationship between religion and science should be, I think the most important point you make is "the role that religion plays in the lives of good people who are otherwise highly-critical thinkers." The almost militant atheism promoted by many atheists polarises people along religions/non-religious lines and really doesn't serve to promote either party's interests. Perhaps this is an important issue for the atheists community at large?

Chris Mooney's books and articles have always been fair and faithful to the truth, whatever one may think of his preferred tactics of engagement with the other side.

Also, like just about everyone who has had any contact with Chris, I have found him to be a mensch. He helped me locate a needed graphic once, with no particular motive for helping a total stranger, and when I did some extremely minor research for Storm World, he was gracious enough to acknowledge it.

So I think I belong to a largish faction of those following the "framing" debate who differ with Mooney's message in some details, but who still respect the source. And yes -- I think his fellowship with Templeton is going to do a lot more good than harm.

The problem with Templeton is that it exists for a reason that is anti-scientific: to prove that religion is compatible with science. They don't ask whether religion is compatible with science, they work backwards from the answer.

The fact that he applied for and accepted the fellowship says to me that Mooney agrees with this project. Certainly many scientists feel the same way. But there should be no illusion that any answer that rejects the interaction of science and religion will come out of the seminar.

Hi Abel

A tidbit on the Tobacco discussion- sadly a little late.
Interestingly The American Thoracic society won't even let you review a paper for their flagship journal if you've taken money/have any relationship with tobacco. I would guess that the big public health journals might be the same?

I think dealing with such things makes you even more wiser to health issues than those who only read about it.