Over at the "ID is nothing but science, we really mean it" Uncommon Dissent blog, there's an interesting little biblical discussion going on right now. In this case, DaveScot's remarkable response to a comment on the After the Bar Closes discussion board does an amazing job at evoking that Ghostbusters kind of feel.
Dr. Peter Venkman: This city is headed for a disaster of biblical proportions.
Mayor: What do you mean, "biblical"?
Dr Ray Stantz: What he means is Old Testament, Mr. Mayor, real wrath-of-God type stuff.
Dr. Peter Venkman: Exactly.
Dr Ray Stantz: Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies. Rivers and seas boiling.
Dr. Egon Spengler: Forty years of darkness. Earthquakes, volcanoes...
Winston Zeddemore: The dead rising from the grave.
Dr. Peter Venkman: Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together - mass hysteria.
That's right. Presented with a proposed experiment where baby mice and snakes would be raised together (a suggestion that was actually taken directly from The Twin Cities Creation Science Association), DaveScot shows us a picture of one of his cats laying on a carpet with one of his dogs. And he says this:
Not exactly a wolf and a lamb but not that much different either.
There's really nothing that I can add to that. DaveScot has once again managed to demonstrate the amazing level of understanding of biology that has made him such a legend - in his own mind.
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Oh sweet Judas. It's like the Children of the Corn with Broadband.
"Mordechai, how do you think lions managed to eat grass with carnivore teeth and carnivore stomachs?"
"Well, Amos, we'll find out when we die. Praise Gawduh!"
Good thing ID has nothing to do with religion. Imagine the discussion they would be having if it DID!
I always get a kick out of illustrations of biblical fantasies, especially the 'lion lies down with the lamb' -- always depicted as the pair resting on grass. Get it? The lamb is lying down on its own food, and the lion is lying down beside its own food.
I first noticed this weirdness as a small child in Sunday school. If the lion stopped eating meat it would die. Yet the lamb is not stopping eating grass. How would the lion dying, while the lamb thriving, mean peace?
Grownups were strange and dangerous, I knew.
Come to think of it, what's changed since then?
Maybe DaveScot is Dr. Venkman?
Dana Barrett: You know, you don't act like a scientist.
Dr. Peter Venkman: They're usually pretty stiff.
Dana Barrett: You're more like a game show host.
Dean Yeager: Your theories are the worst kind of popular tripe, your methods are sloppy, and your conclusions are highly questionable. You are a poor scientist, Dr. Venkman!
Snakes and mice? It'll never happen. Snakes and hamsters, on the other hand...
http://majikthise.typepad.com/majikthise_/2006/01/and_the_snake_s.html
Can we try a little science experiment, and put a DaveScott in with a hungry polar bear?
Perhaps explain to DaveScott, that we are testing the powers of the Intelligent Design Backers to get the Intelligent Designer to intercede?
Damen, I hope this gets to UTube! Maybe that Iraqi guy that helped at the Sadam hanging is available...
I think that line is from Meatballs, not Ghostbusters.
... somebody trusted DaveScot with the responsibility of caring for two innocent living creatures?
Rev: Dr Venkman helped save the world. Don't give DS any ideas above - well, any station, really.
J-Dog: doesn't need to be hungry polar bears. Just undomesticated (and preferably hungry) dogs should do just fine. After all, clearly he's got those dog-taming powers, doesn't he?
And let's not forget the fact that cats (all cats) make insufficient amounts of taurine. This means they have to eat enough taurine (or else they get all kinds of health problems leading, ultimately, to death). Where can cats get sufficient amounts of taurine in nature? From meat. Plants don't contain enough taurine for cats to survive. Cats are carnivores by necessity. And taurine isn't the only reason cats are dependent on a carnivorous diet. Will the Lion lay down with the lamb and eat straw like th ox? Only if cats are genetically modified or some new type of plants exist that fulfill cats' dietary needs.
I've always wondered, if there was no death before 'the fall' then what would prevent something like an ant getting trodden on by accident?
Now, let's be fair to DaveScot--dogs and cats really do resemble wolves and lambs, respectively, more than they resemble cobbles and celery. Unless he meant dogs resemble lambs and cats resemble wolves, in which case he's just crazy.
Yes he did..... in the movies. ;)
The comments are getting quite entertaining over there.
I found this particularly amusing after a UD commenter reamed me out with the "fact" that DaveScot is an agnostic, and ID has nothing to do with Christianity, and they never talk about the bible on UD. Look, they quotemine even themselves!
I think they've all grown up very isolated from the world. A cat and dog raised together are quite likely to get along, since they don't really prey on each other. What would be more unusual, but still happens, would be, say, a terrier and a rat or a cat and a chipmunk. However, not one of them seems to be aware that dogs not killing sheep is purely a matter of training, and that livestock farmers have trouble not only with packs of feral dogs killing their animals, but sometimes with their own or their neighbors' domesticated pets (such dogs are often shot, for obvious reasons.) As fascinatingly dunderheaded as the posts are, the comments are frequently an even greater source of amusement.
Most IDer types have never heard of Linneaus and if they are asked if a dog and a fox share a common ancestor, they are at a loss to explain why the two cannot produce offspring.
Likewise, they are at a loss trying to explain why breeding a jackass (four legged type)to a mare produces a mule while breeding a stallion (four legged kind) to a jenny produces a hinny.
Reading the list of Creationist science projects suggested on the site link provided, I was bemused by the "explain the half Jewish Samarians" science project. While isolated ethnic groups may produce some unique mutations, I was unaware that there was a "Jewish" gene. (which leads us back to the God gene argument of some time back)
"The lion lies down with the lamb"... isn't there something sexual implied here... ?