Behe vs ERV irl?

I like how their TWO-DAY CONFERENCE is a total of six hours. I've been to real scientific conferences where that is just the first plenary session, after dinner.

I guess there's a limit to how long you can stand at a podium repeating "bacterial flagellum, therefore JESUS!"

Whaddaya gonna do? *takes off shirt*

I don't think that's fighting fair. ;P

Did some reading on Darwin's Black Box. I don't have the knowledge available to debunk his theory on a molecular level. Can I assume that it is the "eye"-theory writ very small, on a molecular level? The complexity of the eye is still used by ID'ers although it was debunked by Darwin himself.

I think Discovery Institute says it all.

I don't think that's fighting fair. ;P

SHOOOSH! Seems perfectly fair to me!

I think their "choice" of venue says it all:

"Crossings Community Church Sanctuary & Atrium".

I also think this indicates that Casey Luskin et al have diminshed from attack-gerbils to non-stinging, badly buzzing insectoids.

Just the fact that this event has to be held in a church speaks volumes about it.

1. That they are holding this in a church should help when we go to court over any creationist bills that may pass in OK. Oh yeah, their stuff is not based on religion!
2. I hope many of the Oklahoma readers here will attend the Q and A (if they even allow one)and perform as well as they did in Dembski's previous visits. Abbie has experience at this - she did a good job taking on Dembski in his first visit along with a slew of other students. That was the time that Dembski preached a sermon at the Trinity Baptists Church and afterwards, members of the IDEA club kneeled around him and prayed for his successful lecture. Oh yeah, their views do not require god.

@Johann #3,

Yes, that's basically what it is. All of the talk about molecular biology is basically a smokescreen to confuse the reader, make the reader think Behe knows what he is talking about.

When you break it down, the entire argument is an argument from ignorance, "I don't know how this thing evolved, therefore it couldn't have."

Obviously he claims this isn't the case. But just consider this: his entire argument breaks down the moment somebody just presents a plausible evolutionary mechanism (it doesn't even need to have evidence supporting it, it just needs to not be against the available evidence). And if his argument breaks down once a plausible mechanism is presented, well, that just proves that it's an argument from ignorance after all, because it rests upon the reader not being clever enough to think of a plausible evolutionary mechanism.

I think its awesome Behe is so embarrassed about his still-born mutant baby 'Edge of Evolution' that he doesnt even advertise it. 'DAWRWINS BLACK BOX! YAAAAAY!'

vic-- Yeah, its in a church. Do you *really* think they are going to have any Q&A whatsoever, much less an open-mic one like we had at OU with Dembski? They didnt even pull that again at OU after Dembski. We taught em a lesson, eh? Heeeehehehehehe!!

Abbie: Hard to know if they will entertain a Q and A, but they did have one after the Meyer film and stoopid comments by Jonathan Wells at OU Museum. Maybe we should be prepared to challenge.

My supervisor's off to Keystone, I'll tell him to look out for you (he likes the blog!)

These things are nothing more than the prolonged death-rattle of creationism.

If you do manage to attend, and if he does happen to have a Q&A, and you do get a question in you should queue up the clip from the episode where Wendy fights Eric.
That would likely be a perfect illustration of what happened.

@IanW

Creationism, like Jesus himself, is an undead meme that can not be killed. At best you try to keep it contained. Fortunately the stupid only infects the weak and scientifically illiterate.

Under the Questions to be Discussed section is "And what practical steps can you take to stand for truth in this area, especially for the next generation?". Does "stand for truth" = "stand for facts" or just "stand for what we want to think and to hell with facts"? Damn, i think I know the answer to that one. Let us know how it goes, though. I'd be there if I were anywhere even remotely close to there.

Well, YECist Sarfati had a Q & A session after his talk up here in Edmonton two months ago...

Ha, the "conference" is sponsored by FaithandEvolution.org, a website owned and operated by ... guess who?

The Disco Tute!

So many links to creationist sites, it's pitiful. Don't go there unless you are drunk. Srsly.

You have been warned!

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