To Engage or Not To Engage

During the election campaign, the Palin/Whatshisname ticket made hay over Obama's statements that he would engage in international conversations with unsavory knee-jerks such as the president of Iran. I call these people knee-jerks because they invoke a knee-jerk response in right wing and even moderate circles. Obama is of course right in that it is counter productive to write off any possibility of communication with another nation or a globally significant faction of any kind a priori. Sure, writing them off a priori makes a point, and does so in a powerful way. But then what do you do? "The Point" has been made with Cuba for almost 50 years, and as a strategy to rid the Western Hemisphere of it's only major entrenched communist regime has worked as poorly as any national level foreign policy has ever worked ever, for any country, in all of modern history.

Engagement is an important question at local levels as well. For instance, I find the American Chemical Society to be obnoxious, and I find Shell Oil to be evil. You will notice however that these two companies appear to be two of the major sponsors of Scienceblogs.com. Am I complaining? No. Am I kicking their respective asses somehow? Well, I am actually ignoring the American Chemical Society, but yes, I speak out now and then against Shell, and will probably do more in the future. Does Seed Media care? Well, I hope they care in some way about stuff generally, but I don't believe that there is any squeamishness on their part about Sb bloggers writing critically about Seed or Sb sponsor. And I'm not guessing here. This is the message that has been conveyed to me. Essentially, they are telling me "Just blog ... whatever."

Now, we have an interesting other example of the engagement issue playing out on the national stage. This is in relation to the UN's Durban Review Conference, which is an international conference on racism starting now. There has been a lot of arguing about to related issues: 1) Israel and all it's conservative government stands for (in relation to racism) and Islamic vs. Western perspectives (to the extent that this false dichotomy exists) on religious co-called "tolerance" or "intolerance." As a result of this mucking around, several Western nations are not attending the conference at all, or are only sending low level officials. The only national leader who will be attending is Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, whacko holocaust denier and general dickhead (all due respect intended).

I don't know what the U.S. would be doing, under Obama, if this conference had come later in time or if the Bush Depression had not been in full swing at the start of Obama's term. The failure of the entire "West" to engage at this conference certainly complicates matters. What will probably have to happen over the next few years is a lot of groundwork, followed by a national racism conference at which two or three Islamic World leaders, two or three Western World leaders (including the kid with the big ears and the funny name) and for or five "Third World" relatively non-Western and non-Religious state leaders (such as the leaders of South Africa and Indonesia) all play a prominent part and are all seen sipping tea together and so on.

Disengagement is not an option. The West is wrong for not showing up at this conference. The British, who are showing up at a low level, have said that if President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran starts in with the anti-Semitic thing, they'll storm out of the hall. Well, that's a start ... at least somebody is doing something.

Change is made by those who show up. Let's all start showing up, please.

Some details of the conference can be found here and here.

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I disagree with your stance. First of all, the fact that some countries are not attending is NOT disengagement. Some countries were engaged enough to cause the change in conference no longer coming out against freedom to discuss religion (the blasphemy stuff).

Those who have run the so-called human rights UN commission are the worst offenders of human rights and their actions have been offensive in the past and will be offensive at this conference. Why should the US and other countries want to be tainted by this behavior?

There has to be some sane possibility of more progress and this commission has to become real.

By NewEnglandBob (not verified) on 19 Apr 2009 #permalink

I'd say we should at least send someone to the talks, if only to let them know what bigots they are.

We could resurrect Condoleezza Rice and send her. She managed to bollix up everything she was involved in and would cause this conference to not know which way is up.

By NewEnglandBob (not verified) on 20 Apr 2009 #permalink

the Bush Depression

Cripes, but you are an ignorant twat sometimes.

the Bush Depression

Cripes, but you are an ignorant twat sometimes.

Sorry, you are right.

Change to: The Bush Recession.

When are the neocon / bitters / racists going to realize that the politics of testosterone has failed yet again? The only way out of their mess of the last 8 years (and I am not limiting it solely to that time period) is to have whatever feelings we have but use that funny lump of tissue between our ears not the plastic ânads on the bumpers of their trucks.
Robert Estrada

By robert estrada (not verified) on 20 Apr 2009 #permalink

I agree. Symbolic gestures and nice and, well, symbolic, but they're just not terribly effective. We should send a very low-level official with the same conditions that Britain is doing.