I got this email from Alan Kazlev, one of the main fellows working on the Palaeos website (a very useful paleontological resource), which I had previously reported as going offline. Plans are afoot to bring it back, and the answer seems to be to wikify it and build it anew, with a more distributed set of contributors. How Web 2.0! I've included the full email below the fold if you'd like more details.
For those who don't know me, I was the co-author of Palaeos, until I got
caught up in other projects that consumed all my time. Toby
White of course continued to work on the site (often far more
knowledgeably and competently than I), until April. Obviously, this
involved the investment of considerable free time. Quite simply
maintaining the site involves too much work for one person if you have
other things to do as well.
The reason for the belatedness of this current email is that I only the
other day discovered that the site was down. Man, was that
depressing! One tends to think that servers would have backups, so
if they delete anything on the site they could restore it. Anyway,
the last few days I was thinking of how to get the site back up. I
don't have an up to date backup; well i have a backup of some parts but
am missing entire new sections like the Eukarya. I could get it through
painstaking going through the cache on the Wayback Machine (Internet
Archive), but that mostly captures text; rarely the graphics files.
Then through a google blog search I came upon the Pharyngula
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2006/08/palaeos_lost.php and other
comments in the blogosphere regretting the loss of Palaeos. And I
would like to thank everyone for your comments and appreciation, and
expressions of support!
On the basis of your comments, I decided to launch this initiative to
restore Palaeos. And not just restore it, but make it even
better. How? By making it a fully collaborative,
I think I have included here the email of all interested parties, except
Stanton (Palaeos wiki), and Jeff, whose emails i couldn't find, so maybe
this could be forwarded on to them.
Jeff says he has recently archived the site. That is great, it
solves the problem of having to go through the internet archives.
Toby's material is all public domain, and anything i have written is free
for noncommercial use, so there is no problem restoring it
To begin with, we have the option of whether to restore the old site, or
continue with the new wiki initiative
- Restore it as a website - this would be basically the same as the old
Palaeos, but with everyone contributing (I can provide the ftp
details). That means you need to edit in html, or at least with a
WYSIWYG / GUI web editor that doesn't screw up the code too much.
Even so, i found it very difficult using my text editor to edit the
Vertebrate pages Toby had written. There is also - with many
contributors - the danger of overwriting some-one else's edits.
Toby and I solved this by posting a list of edited pages in a special
directory, which had to be checked first before making any edits.
With two or three people this is okay; with a larger community it can be
pretty fiddly! And the more people contributing the worse it would
- Palaeos wiki. This would be greatly preferable, imho, because
wiki uses a standard markup format which is very easy to learn (and they
also have buttons on the edit screen if you don't want to do it
manually), updates instantly, keeps a record of all previous edits (in
case reverts are needed), and of course can be used by any number of
Actually the media wiki format would be great for this; i am pretty
impressed with how wikis work and have become a real fan of wikipedia (as
well as contributing there a number of palaeo entries there; often in the
manner of "Palaeos lite").
Especially if Palaeos is to indeed be a community / collective endeavour,
by all of us who have a passion and love of science and deep time and the
evolution of life on Earth, then a wiki would certainly be the easiest
But I would love to hear everyone else's views on this
Anyway I had a look at the new Palaeos wiki
This is an encouraging beginning but imho it needs a proper domain
name. Also after a strong start nothing's been added to the site in
several weeks. Again it is the problem of the whole project being
too big for only a couple of people. So we keep coming back to the
importance of a community project.
So, here are my suggestions:
- Palaeos domain name. Note the spelling;
"Palaeos", not "Paleos". Keeping the domain
name serves continuity; it is the same project with the same content
(only bigger and better!). It is good because it helps with google
searches as well, you can track who is referencing the site). If we
can't use the current palaeos.com then we can use palaeos.net, and i can
put up a redirect page from the current server.
- Wiki format. I'm most familiar with using Media Wiki, used by
Wikipedia, but do any of you have other preferences (i guess the
different wikipedia formats have different advantages and disadvantages;
here is wikipedia page on this, which is a bit too technical for me
- Cladograms in Wiki - two versions on this page, a taxonomic and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synapsid#Taxonomy So this format
can be easily adapted
- Use of Wiki templates and categories: The use of
templates is both handy for navigation and breaks the blandness of
text. Templates have been used with good effect on Wikipedia.
Two examples - geological time (coloured template boxes) and taxonomy-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_Jurassic (note that because of
limitations of page width, this box is misleading because some ages are
underneath others; a vertical box would be better) Regarding the
latter, if you look at the pages on phylogeny on Wikipedia - e.g.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phytosaur (one of the more detailed of
my "Palaeos lite" pages), there are those little
"taxoboxes" in the upper right corner. This is probably
also a good format for a Palaeos wiki, and some can be copied over as is
(along with the necessary templates), and perhaps some additional info
like stratigraphic range (by age) and geographical distribution could be
added.. Categories can supplement templates regarding
navigation; on wikipedia they are at the bottom of the page, and
essentially serve as indexes
- License - On the old Palaeos the text ranges from Public Domain
(Toby's material) to full copyright, depending on the author. I
suggest for the new Palaeos we decide on a standard license (either GNU
Free Documentation License or Creative Commons), although still keeping
exceptions for those pages with different licenses according to the
author's preference. Also when using copyrighted pictures, there
will be a note specifying that this image is copyright and has been used
with the owner's permission.
- Graphics - a Palaeos wiki would be bland without graphics.
I have found that the owners of various graphic images are happy to allow
use of their material provided we give acknowledgments, a link back,
copyright notice, etc.
- Editing - We don't want to waste our time having to constantly
revert vandalism; so only registered editors should be able to make
modifications. I would also suggest for wiki editors a two tier
approach; senior editors who have admin privileges (so can ban vandals
etc) and would also decide on policy for the site and content, and anyone
else who wants to contribute. I found this two-tier approach worked
very well in the collaborative SF project Orion's Arm
http://www.orionsarm.com/ which I set up in 2000 with the help of a
few friends and associates, which became an institution the way
that Palaeos did, and which is still going strong. It would be the
responsibility of senior contributors to decide which content should be
kept and which deleted ,to ensure the high quality of the material.
One of the weaknesses of wikipedia is that well meaning but uneducated
contributors make edits that are pretty bad, even erroneous. In
deciding on content, senior editors set policy by showing what material
is acceptable, and what isn't.
- Status of current Paleos Wiki. Some good work has already
been done here and it should be kept and built upon. Can this wiki
be given it's own domain name (e.g. Palaeos.net)? Perhaps it should
be transferred to a new server (i would rather stay away from the current
Palaeos server after what happened) . I feel we do need decent and
reliable webhosting because the traffic will be pretty high once the site
is re-established and the new location known.
- Main page - the initial page should be eye-catching, without too
much text. Use of graphics and a list of contents to important
pages will greatly add to the appeal.
Okay, that's about all I can think of for now. Remember, this thing
will only work if enough people get involved and participate. So
let's make it happen!
So where and or when do we get started?
Do you have Mr Alan's email?
Plus, as for the misspelled domain-name, I guess we could make a new one...
Thanks PZ for helping this along. I fear Palaeos would have died completely without such help..
Hey PZ would this cached stuff from March 23, 2005 be of any help in rebuiding the site?
These are all of the results from the "Internet Way Back Machine"...
Blame it on FFD
Fat Finger Disorder
If you are still interested in the archive I have of palaeos, contact me at firstname.lastname@example.org