The Empire is well pleased

Never underestimate the power of geeks, for we are smart.

I guess the Force was not with them.

Luke, you think you'll be able to pull out in time?

I hate to be such a huge nerd, but the X-Wings were the staple craft of the rebels. So, the Empire shouldn't be pleased.

Which I guess is a good thing.

*sigh*

A real nerd would know that an X-Wing is a Rebel craft, not an Imperial one.

I condemn you to eternal viewings of Phantom Menace!

Re #4:

Harsh, man! Harsh!

That was truly something when it was actually flying. And it looked exactly like out of the movies when it fell apart.

I'd like to see a replica actually take off similar to that of a jet instead of a pure rocket launch, maybe it'd have a better chance of gliding. With 4 rockets under it, thats a lot of stress especially when it starts to reach its arc.

One day...

at #4

for it being a rebel craft, i would guess thats why the empire would be pleased at it going bang

I thought he said, "Oh shit!".

The reason that the kids would be conscripted into the Empire's legions is because they were cheering as a Rebel craft exploded.

Daniel Oke:

A real nerd would know that an X-Wing is a Rebel craft, not an Imperial one.

Uh, nobody said otherwise...

I wonder how nobody noticed that two rockets like that is notoriously unstable. One rocket goes faster than the other and rips the ship apart. Your average enthusiasts aren't going to get around the problem.

Uhh, what? Your "average enthusiasts" use multiple motors all the time. Its not a problem, so long as you can get them all lit at the same time, which isn't *that* hard.

The ship was ripped apart because of aerodynamic forces. It may have been a bit underpowered, which caused it to arc over and the increased AOA ripped the wings off.

Shit Happens in various manners related to your worldview.

Taoism Shit happens
Hare Krishna Shit Happens, Rama Rama Ding Ding
Confucianism shit happens, is it really shit?
Hinduism This shit happened before
Zen What really is the sound of shit happening?
Protestantism Shit happens, but as long as you're sorry, it's OK
Calvinism Shit happens because you don't work hard enough
Episcopalianism If shit happens, hold a procession
Lutheranism Shit won't happen if I work harder. Shit happens, but as long as you're sorry, it's OK
Anglicanism It's true, shit does happen - but only to Lutherans
Catholicism If shit happens, I must have deserved it
Charismatic Catholicism Shit is happening because you deserve it, but we love you anyway
Judaism Why does shit always happen to us?g the deal?
Reform Judaism Got any laxatives?
Islam If shit happens, take a hostage
Nation of Islam Don't take no shit!
New Age For $300, we can help you get in touch with your inner shit
Wicca If shit happened once, it will happen twice more
Jehovah's Witnesses Knock Knock, "Shit Happens"
Secular Humanism Shit evolves
Darwinism Survival of the shittiest
Christian Science When shit happens, don't call a doctor-pray
Atheism I don't believe this shit
Religion from an Atheist's point of view I haven't smelt, seen, touched, or tasted it. But it's shit
Agnosticism You can't prove any of this shit
Rastafarianism Let´s smoke this shit!
Mormonism If shit happens, shun it
Energizer Bunny Shit happens and keeps going and going and going and ...
Baptist You are shitting all wrong, and you'll be punished for it
Southern Baptist Shit will happen. Praise the lord
Iraqi Baathist Oh shit!
Voodoo Shit doesn't just happen -- somebody dumped it on you
Televangelism Your tax-deductible donation could make this shit stop happening
Unitarianism It's not the shit that matters. It's the process
Orthodox Saint Sergius found his faith in deep shit
Greek Orthodox Shit happens, usually in three's
EST I am at cause that shit will not happen
Fundamentalism There's no shit in the Bible
Twelve Step Shit happens one day at a time
Amish This modern shit is worthless
Shintoism You inherit the shit of your ancestors
Moonies Only happy shit really happens
Stoicism This shit is good for me
Zoroastrianism Shit happens half the time
Bahaism Why do you keep shitting on us?
Mysticism This is really weird shit
Paganism Shit happens for a variety of reasons
Rajhneesh Give us your shit and put on this orange shit
Rosicrucianism What is this AMORC shit?
Satanism Sneppah tihs
Witchcraft Mix this shit together and it will happen
Scientology If you leave us, bad shit will happen to you
Shamanism Whoaa...Holy Shit!
Sikhism Leave our shit alone
Sureshism You are all pieces of shit

You guys didn't watch the movie first.

The X-Wing BLEW UP!

Bwahahahahahahahahahahaaaaa!

A better result than having it get far enough up to drop a couple hundred lbs. of baltic birch on that little crowd.

Still this reminds me of my childhood aeronautical engineering projects, which were guided almost exculsively by what looked cool.

A lot of people on Slashdot were expressing disappointment that it didn't do better. Disappointment? That was awesome! I'm not sure what people were expected, but what happened was realistically one of the best outcomes this could've had. I mean, it actually flew, for dozens of feet, and it didn't injure anyone!

It looked great, while it lasted. It's a shame it only lasted a few seconds, though. That must've taken a lot of work to make.

That was a thing of beauty. Usually, multiple motors are clustered really close* together, minimizing the effect of timing issues. Pointing them through CG helps, too. Having 4 motors that far apart is pretty chancy. So great try, lovely flight, excellent breakup.

Any volunteers to ride the full scale version? ;)

*WRT diameter

Its not a problem, so long as you can get them all lit at the same time, which isn't *that* hard.

Even the Mythbusters can't reliably get multiple engines to fire simultaneously.

Aw well. Maybe next time we'll have something to take down the Bush administration. The rebel forces will rise!

My thought was that it was hopelessly underpowered... there wasn't sufficient acceleration for it to reach a velocity at which it might have been stabilized. So, shortly after firing, the thing veered sideways and then the off-axis aerodynamic forces caused it to break up.

Shame, really. For all of the effort that went into building it, it would have been nice to get a few more seconds of flight than that...

COOL! That is exactly what most of the rockects that we (of the Milne Model Rocket Club and the Stanwix Street Space Exploration Society) did. Except that one that never came down, as far as we could tell.

It's a good thing the solid rocket boosters didn't have more fuel in them. Once the vehicle disintegrated, the components went off in every direction. Those bystanders would have discovered they were too close.

Off-topic.

Oh, barf. Lee Siegel strikes again:

Militant atheists are wrong

A flurry of literary attacks on God may also be closing the book on imagination.
By Lee Siegel
October 7, 2007
Voltaire famously quipped that if God didn't exist, he would have to be invented. American publishers would enthusiastically agree because God, it turns out, is a consistent moneymaker -- especially, these days, for those who want to attack him.
[...]
The anti-God books have appeared in the wake of two developments: the rise of Islamic fundamentalism overseas and the religious right's enormous influence on President Bush's policies here at home. But as responses, the secular jeremiads don't make a whole lot of sense.

[blah blah blah]

Even the Mythbusters can't reliably get multiple engines to fire simultaneously.

Mythbusters also tried to use an Estes solar ignitor to light a hybrid, and fired it inside their shop. That they couldn't do it isn't really indicative of what people who actually know what they are doing can do. Multiple motors firing at once is not a problem.

A few years ago, at the same launch, someone launched a rocket with 32 motors firing at once. They all lit. But the mythbusters can't do it! OMG!

The Mythbusters spent hours driving two identical cars around in circles to see whether you use more fuel with the air conditioner on or with the windows open. Identical, that is, except for the color: one was dark grey, as I recall, and one was white, completely invalidating the experiment, which was performed in full sunshine, as the white car would reflect the sun's heat better.

First rule of rocketry - with enough thrust, any brick will fly.
Second rule of rocketry - make sure your brick can withstand high thrust.

First rule of rocketry - with enough thrust, any brick will fly.
Second rule of rocketry - make sure your brick can withstand high thrust.

Third rule of rocketry:

It is possible to make a pig fly, just as long as you provide sufficient thrust. That doesn't necessarily mean that it's a good idea, though.

@ CalGeorge #24:

Euuwww. That's one messed up piece of thinking. My favorite:

When our anti-religionists attack the mechanism of religious faith by demanding that our beliefs be underpinned by science, statistics and cold logic, they are, in effect, attacking our right to believe in unseen, unprovable things at all.

The horror!

Yes, I know, there's some context around this where the author argues that such faith should be considered in the same category as art and so on (go and read it, if you can afford the brain cells) but it's not exactly original and I'm not buying it. That quote pretty much sums up the whole thing.

Aside from that, why do supporters of religion have to constantly equate arguments against religion as "attacks" on the right to hold such views?

R.I.P
Jek "Red Six" Porkins
Long Time Ago - 2007

Devoted Father, Starfighter Pilot, Lover of Dewback Ribs

Science at work, man. You gotta love it.

If the geeks who only play video games only knew how much cooler the real thing is... Think we should tell 'em?

" ... shortly after firing, the thing veered sideways and then the off-axis aerodynamic forces caused it to break up."

At 00:10 you can see the left wing separating. Plainly, the guy should have used Gorilla Glue, rather than Elmer's Yellow Wood Glue. (caught on jpg:)

http://gizmodo.com/photogallery/xwingrocketconstruction/2767953

My daughter-in-law & son are taking my 4 yr. old grand daughter to see the "Creation Museum" in Cincinnati. So, having found this out on the anniversary of Sputnik's launch, & having her tell me "you can't be a Christian" if you don't believe the "creationist" fundamentalist kind of view of the world; well, I'm pretty bummed out.

Having made my own parents' existence rather "exciting" during my 60's College years, I guess this is my Karma coming back to bite me in my existential butt!

I just find myself wondering how the heck I ended up with a son who believes this stuff too. I asked her, didn't you have Science classes in High School? She said, "Yes, but I didn't believe a word of it."

I live in the "Bible Belt" & one Church's sign says" "God said it, Jesus did it, I believe it, That settles it."

I wonder how many others are facing trying to relate & deal with family members who are fundamentalists, who believe they have the absolute truth?

AtomicWarBaby,

I'm so sorry to hear that your son married an idiot. Let's hope the kids realize their mom is nuts at an early age; many do.

-jcr

For all you armchair failure analysts, here's a link to a link to some clearer video.

Interestingly, I was chatting with a friend about this Saturday morning (we'd both seen the preflight pix), before the flight:

ME: Yeah, I saw it. Very cool, but what's up with those moving wings.

FRIEND: It's for realism, just like having an R2 onboard.
ME: Yeah, but it's extra complexity....

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I'm convinced, after seeing the video, that the movable wings were involved in the breakup, either as the root cause or a contributing cause. I agree that the model was underpowered, but I suspect it would've hung together and gotten at least high enough to safely deploy its chutes if the wings had had robust, fixed mountings.

I didn't realize from the initial pix that the motors were mounted on the moving wings. I don't really have a problem with the separated thrust lines -- it does increase risk, but it's within the state of the art -- but reacting all that thrust though some sort of hinged mechanism seems like an idea better left on the drawing board.

(Disclaimer: I'm not an engineer, and I don't even play one on TV; I am, however, a sport rocketeer.)

AtomicWarBaby - me. My entire family, both sides. I'm also married to one, and it's his whole family, too.

Why not ask the creationist daughter-in-law, "Here's a physics textbook and a Bible. Which one actually describes how the car, which you're using to get to the museum, works?"

Amateur rocket launchings are a lot more fun to watch in general than I would have suspected. I accompanied my wife on a "Rocketry for Educators" outing, where we got to make simple little rockets - to our credit, every single one of our rockets launched :) - but the real fun was not just seeing what the heck other people had come up, but what happened at launch.

One rocket exploded spectacularly into little blue shreds, albeit without a fireball. Another rocket was basically a giant, giant badminton bird with motors as another way to get around the parachute deployment problem. It had feathers and all (ostrich, maybe?), and all the feathers singed and smoked spectacularly on the way up and back down.

Porkins didn't have an artoo unit in his ship.

Apparently Luke's midi-chlorian count wasn't so high after all.

As for Imperial tech ... here's one thing visitors to my office are greeted by. And yes, that is a Defender on the end.

More rocket action, brit style...

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=robin+reliant+space+shuttle…

Pulled a Challenger on us. Damn.

-- CV

@ #14

PZ, I think more of an evil cackle is called for (Emperor style). Do you have a white cat to stroke at the same time?