Mike Adams launches a sustained campaign of lies against a friend of the blog

Several of you have noticed that a certain friend of the blog has been under attack from one of the quackiest of Internet quacks out there. Here is his response. The paranoia and stupidity are black hole level density. (Yes, instead of posting the whole thing, I've simply posted a link to our friend's discussion and rebuttal of Adams' charges.)

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What kind of strenuous physical activities takes place in a lab to warrant the water bottle, I wonder...?

If the good doctor has such superpowers, where he can edit websites he doesn't have accounts on, what superpowers to I possess, as I am a Wikipedia editor?
The history of an article's editing is trivially available, clicking "View history" and all edits are displayed. One can even see diffs on the edits.
Users have their own page and a talk page and the user with the most participation on the article on Vaxxed most certainly is not our good doctor.
Still, as was observed, we're dealing with a fact free crowd, where denunciations trump facts, easily verified or debunked claims are accepted at face value and more bullshit is peddled than all of the combined cattle on the planet - throughout the history of cattle!
It's just a shame that the good doctor had to waste his time on this nonsense from a Neanderthal ninny.

I'm kinda surprised you didn't go after him for his usage of the vile term Vaccine Holocaust Denial" considering your interest in debunking the real deal.

I mean it is such a disgusting hijacking and abuse of the term (not to mention obviously trying to get the negative connotations of Holocaust Denial rub off on you!).

Adams better hope your incredibly busy blogging schedule doesn't permit time to drag him to court, as I bet his disgusting Fata smear is highly actionable. What a noxious donkey shart.

It begins... the supposed Gorski-Fata Connection is making the rounds all over the WooNet(TM) such as the ironically named TruthWiki:

http://www.truthwiki.org/dr-farid-fata/

You have to scroll a fair bit down.

First:

"Vaccine Holocaust Denialists (...) Or was his mind already deranged before the lead came along?"

Then, later:

"People who are infested with intense evil and hatred almost never see it themselves."

Oh, the irony.

I think it's interesting that he appears to be threatening to make legal complaints against Gorski which have no basis in fact. That could lead to up to six months in jail (http://is.gd/MaliciousProsecution).

As tot he claim that Gorski is MastCell and has hijacked the Vaxxed article, that is trivially disproven. MastCell has never edited the article (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Vaxxed&offset=&limit=5000&ac…) or commented on the Talk page (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Vaxxed&offset=&limit=50…). Actually I think I (JzG) am the admin who has most zealously defended that article against nutters.

By Guy Chapman (not verified) on 19 Apr 2016 #permalink

He has an open water bottle, on a laboratory cart, in a laboratory and is not wearing a lab coat. If there was *any* research carried out in this lab, we'd be looking at a serious Health and Safety violation that should lead to an investigation into risk assessments, and H&S training in that lab. Since all of that is just for YouTube movie props I guess it's ok.

By Catherina (not verified) on 19 Apr 2016 #permalink

@ Amethyst

Eh, talking all day to the camera is strenuous activity, especially for one's tongue and salivary glands. Hence, water.

OT: As an aside, food and drink in a lab are generally frowned upon. You don't want to contaminate your samples with your ham sandwich, or risking spicing your cup of tea with a sprinkle from the jug of hazardous material next bench.

As for the Holocaust part... Adams has been invoking the Hitler Zombie so often, we are getting blasé. Still bad taste and unimaginative.

----------------------------------------
As for Adams' delirious and libelous sh!tstorm...
Hold tight, Orac.

[...] two toxic metals known to contribute to mental illness [...]

Has he just inserted an advertisement for his lab's heavy metal dosing services into his denunciation rant? Cannot help himself, I guess, business comes first.

J'accuse, and come eat at Joe's.

By Helianthus (not verified) on 19 Apr 2016 #permalink

Ah, Catherina beat me to the topic of the drink in the lab, and in sharper terms.

By Helianthus (not verified) on 19 Apr 2016 #permalink

"People who are infested with intense evil and hatred almost never see it themselves. They are consumed by it but it feels “normal” to them, so they think there’s something wrong with everybody else, never suspecting the severity of their own mental illness. "

Projection much, Mike?

I am sure he could find measles RNA in a sample in that lab...

By Guy Chapman (not verified) on 20 Apr 2016 #permalink

@ Guy Chapman

Oi! Don't suggest he goes into a joint venture with Andy. They will start spinning around one another and the woo density will create a black hole.
On the other hand, that would give us gravitational waves to study.

By Helianthus (not verified) on 20 Apr 2016 #permalink

Having met Dr Gorski (though not professionally), if any of my family needed a breast cancer surgeon, I'd happily send them to him.

I'd sooner perform surgery on myself than trust Mike Adams.

OK...don't know why my last comment went into moderation. Unless mentioning the name is like summoning Beetlejuice...

I found a measle in that lab. *points to Mikey*

By Bob Blaskiewicz (not verified) on 20 Apr 2016 #permalink

He has an open water bottle, on a laboratory cart, in a laboratory and is not wearing a lab coat.

A lab coat is not necessary unless you are doing something in the lab which may contaminate your clothes or vice versa. PC labs excepted.

However, an open drink bottle would see him booted so fast from my lab that his butt would not even touch the stairs*.

* I inhabit a basement.

By Chris Preston (not verified) on 20 Apr 2016 #permalink

Mike Adams tells lies.

The Pope remains catholic.

Bears sh!t in the woods.

The sun comes up tomorrow.

By Chris Preston (not verified) on 20 Apr 2016 #permalink

Actually I think I (JzG) am the admin who has most zealously defended that article against nutters.

I am impressed by the general level of comity that prevails in W-pedia debate, e.g. between JzG and Contzar and Jytdog and Mjolnirpants.

By herr doktor bimler (not verified) on 20 Apr 2016 #permalink

I found a measle in that lab. *points to Mikey*

Or a small, furry animal that rhymes with "measle".

"sustained campaign of lies"

As if Adams has ever engaged in a campaign of truthful statements.

By Chris Hickie (not verified) on 20 Apr 2016 #permalink

Someone finally got to IMDB and "corrected" the Plot Keywords for Vaxxed. Until recently, the keywords were "nonsense, pseudoscience, box office flop, and critically bashed." I thought that was lovely.

Now the keywords are "Corruption, autism, enlightening, quackery, heartbreaking."

Kudos to the IMDB individual who originally set it up. I don't know how the details get changed, but I liked the original list better.

By ScienceMonkey (not verified) on 20 Apr 2016 #permalink

@ Chris Preston

I don't know about number 2 and 3...

Pope Francis had some refreshing thoughts and actions, I'm not sure he is really catholic anymore. Well, especially if I compare him to one French bishop who became recently famous for stating publicly that he was not sure that pedophilia was a sin.
As for bears, does anyone remember someone complaining about stepping on bear dung while hiking in a wooden area? Stepping on the Health Ranger doesn't count.

As for number 4, ask me again tomorrow. Only way to be sure :-)

@ Daniel Corcos

He has become a water specialist.

He is just concentrating his business vertically, is all. He always has been a master of convincing people it was rain he was pouring on their shoes. Golden rain.

By Helianthus (not verified) on 20 Apr 2016 #permalink

Just look at the rating VAXXED has on IMDB. Something like 8/10 last I checked. It is a friggin' joke. No wait, the opposite - it is a bloody tragedy.

@chris preston -- An early issue of the National Lampoon had a parody of the then-new magazine Psychology Today, entitled "Psychology Ptoday". The cover advertised articles such as "Religious Orientation of the Pontiff" and "Ursine Defecation Habits".

By palindrom (not verified) on 20 Apr 2016 #permalink

Ewww! He looks so pasty and UNhealthy. Who would take his advice about anything, let alone health?

Still, it’s good to know that Dr. G is becoming a name worth knowing.

By darwinslapdog (not verified) on 20 Apr 2016 #permalink

If sued, Adams would probably argue that he was just responding to vicious, unprovoked attacks by this blog. We know from the Barrett case what can happen when a judge is sympathetic to claims that someone's right to free speech (i.e. lies) is being infringed.

It looks like Mike had a great deal of pent-up hysterical rage over his skewerings on RI and has finally blown a woo gasket.

Dr. G. is indeed in distinguished company along with other respected battlers against pseudoscience, Drs. Offit and Folta.

By Dangerous Bacon (not verified) on 20 Apr 2016 #permalink

[double posting, hoping to beat Beetlejuice moderation flag]

Being attacked by Mike Adams is a badge of honor.

But I get that Dr. DHG. already has a chest full of medals from being the target of rhetoric much more repulsive than Health Ranger’s, and the weight of the honors gets to be too much. So when a desperate Adams apparently has nothing better to do — having already saved the word with 3D printed efficiency apartment agriculture gizmos – and turns the outrageous horse sheet nozzle up to eleven, there’s a camel’s straw thing, and hell yeah, we’re way past hearty-chuckle-time and ‘thanks for the confirmation of righteousness.”

I recall to this day the first time, a good few years back now, when i actually followed a link into an anti-vax thread and read some stuff spewed there about Dr. G. Dark absurdist laughter runs in my veins, but any reading of that kind became out of the question but quick. My reaction was visceral. I felt deeply ill. I had to click out. I turned off the computer. I regained some equilibrium by the next day, but it was literally years before I could ever brave looking at that website again – and I am not exactly a delicate faint-hearted flower. We're not talking "idiotic" here. We're talking the most vile blind hatred — down the mouth of the Lord of the Flies and into The Heart of Darkness.

But Adams is something different. His schtick usually IS laughable. It reeks of performance and callous exploitation rather than genuine ugly passions. The hyper-Godwin’ Monsanto Collaborators’ page and Mikey’s ‘false flag’ disavowal were the kind of stuff that’s beyond satire, as the parody is built in. You get the feeling Adams is laughing when he churns this stuff out, that it’s a carny act for the rubes.

But when that ramps up into an obsessive, one-on-one vilification campaign the lack of blood in the act turns the silly into something deeply disturbing — Adams is just trying to sell more sh!t, gather more attention, build his brand… Looking into an ad hominem screed based in that, is looking into the Void.

It seems Dr. DHG can’t do it. He thinks Adams has made an “unforgivable attempt to claim” he worked with Fata or “approved of Fata’s evil.” Because that wouldn’t be a Void. That sort of defamation would be a truly hateful and hatable thing….

But Adams hasn’t claimed anything of the sort. He cranked out over 975 words about how ‘connections’ between just about every medical institution in Detroit constitute some sort of conspiratorial cabal with Farid Fata at the center – because Fata rented space for one of his private cancer clinics in one of their buildings. No, seriously, that’s the ‘argument. And none of those 975 words mention Dr. DHG.

Then, Adams tacks this on the end.

So who exactly were Fata's accomplices? Is it possible pro-vaccine troll David G****i was somehow involved in Fata's scam or at least privy to it? G****i’s professional career is embedded in the same circle as Fata's. He works as a surgical oncologist at the Karmanos Cancer Institute, and though he has no reports of disciplinary action, neither did Fata, that is until just a few years before his scheme was exposed.

Sorry, Dr. G., that’s not libel. To defame someone, you actually have to say something, about them, that makes a factual claim, that is demonstrably false. Adams falls short at “to say something”. IANAL, but the headline “Pro-vaccine shill Dr. David G****i linked to cancer fraudster…” just might be defamatory. Perhaps you could argue that DHG and Fata are ‘linked’ by virtue of both being mammals. Ok, Mikey’s ‘patient complaints’ post says DHG is “a colleague of Dr. Farid Fata” which is manifestly false as Fata is serving a 45 sentence in Federal Prison…

It’s kind of weird that Dr. G. appears to have been able to laugh off the de facto if not de jure defamatory claims Adams makes about him in the ‘patient complaints’ post, but as silly an excuse for a ‘link’ as has ever been penned in seriousness or jest seems to have gotten under his skin. Maybe the good Dr. simply can’t comprehend the mind or heart that could create anything that cynical… Maybe some cognitive-dissonance-ish thing is leading him to see a defamatory substance in Mikey’s Fata-mumbling that isn’t there. Because that would in some way make sense – in that you could understand a human being accusing DHG of having “worked with or approved of Dr. Farid Fata’s evil” if they believed it. But how do you respond the Void? Maybe the faulty parallel structure there is a toll of how disturbing it would be for Dr. G. to face that emptiness square up. At several other points, too, in “Dear Mr. Adams”, DHG’s prose – usually erudite and sharp – feels about to unravel at the seams…

F*** that a**hole, doc. He ain’t worth five minutes of your time.

#23 Helianthus

As for bears, does anyone remember someone complaining about stepping on bear dung while hiking in a wooden area?

Well no, but I have had to do some creative bicycle handling when cycling on paths in the woods. Those were not mouse droppings. I did not witness a bear in the act.

And something BIG and clumsy also wiped out most of my favourite raspberry patch.

By jrkrideau (not verified) on 20 Apr 2016 #permalink

#26 darwinslapdog,

Yeah, he's got the complexion of Lily Munster. He looks very unhealthy. I guess all his "farming" is all done at night by the light of the full moon. The guy lives in Texas where it is short sleeves and shorts weather into November and can't get any sun? Maybe he should buy a tanning bed. I happen to know a scamming quack DO who may have quite a few he needs to get rid of cheap:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-sunbed-doc-settles-0415-biz-2…

Or maybe he should get some smear-on fake tan. He can even test it for "toxins" and write a woo-tastic article and write it off.

Amethyst@1: Mike's "laboratory" work largely consists of leaps of logic and jumping to conclusions. These are quite athletic for somebody of his physique. Thus the water bottle. (As others have noted above, that he has a water bottle in lab is the tell that it isn't a real lab--among other things, there is the risk of poisoning yourself if the stuff you are studying gets into the water.)

As to whether our host should sue Mike for libel, I am in the "no" camp. Mike can plausibly argue that our host is a public figure, and in the US it is almost impossible for a public figure to win a libel suit. In particular, he can weasel out of it because of this phrasing:

Is it possible pro-vaccine troll David G****i was somehow involved in Fata’s scam or at least privy to it?

The punctuation mark at the end of that sentence is sometimes called a Cavuto mark, after one of its leading practitioners, Fox News personality Neil Cavuto. It's an insidious form of JAQing off: it is meant to imply a link, but because Mike was careful not to actually answer the question he can claim that he never actually said there was a link.

By Eric Lund (not verified) on 20 Apr 2016 #permalink

Speaking of "manipulating articles on Wikipedia." Here's the beginning of the entry on Farid Fata I found this morning:

[Latest revision as of 10:39, 20 April 2016]
Farid T. Fata (born 1965) is a Lebanese-born former hematologist and the admitted mastermind of one of the largest health care frauds in American history. Once a leader of Karmanos Cancer Institute, with one of the largest cancer practices in Michigan, he was arrested in 2013 on charges of prescribing chemotherapy to patients who were either perfectly healthy or whose condition didn't warrant chemo...

Before that revision, the second sentence began; "Once the owner of one of the largest cancer practices in Michigan", and that's all that was changed. The edit was made by an unregistered user listed as IP address 82.21.88.44.

I registered, and changed it back, adding the following 'edit summary' on the 'History' page: "(UNDO: Fata was not in any way a "leader" of the Karmanos Institute. He merely leased space for one of his 7 private clinics in the Institutes building. Apparent attempt to defame Karmanos by false association."

^^ return to my text from blockquote at "Before that revision" —> end.

A few things..

- last week I noted here that another post ( I forget which website- not one of my usuals) carried on about Dr DG and VAXXED- interestingly, Mikey uses the same photo.

- Mikey claims to do hard work outdoors on his ranch: shouldn't he be more tanned?
Older photos of him showing off his muscles are tan.

-I especially 'enjoyed' his foray into psychological diagnosis and speculation about Orac, who was " perhaps *violated* as a child" leading to "sociopathy" and being "psychologically unbalanced' who " needs to be a patient". " It doesn't take a trained psychologist" to see that, he says.

Which he decidedly is NOT.
No one who has studied/ trained/ worked in this area would write as he does. He knows neither what he's talking about nor his arse from a hole in the ground.

(Isn't trying to defame someone illegal in the US?)

But maybe we should look at Mikey- WITHOUT diagnosing him because we have never met him and he didn't request it-
and how he has earned his living over the past 20 years.

According to NN, Health Ranger.com and articles on NN ( esp his "Brush with Poverty" - look it up) :
he had a degree in technical writing, married a woman from Taiwan and went there to seek his fortune. Broke, he persuaded venders at tech conventions to let him write brochures for their products in English- using his wife's skill in Chinese languages as the basis of communication.

In the US, he started a fear mongering website about Y2K, News Target, and created spamming software, Atrial. He put his money into Natural News ( 2007) and various projects that he promotes there. He has sold supplements, foods, prepper supplies, filters, books, films, MLM, real estate what-have-you. He tried to start a *colonia* to Ecuador to escape American Fascism but returned**.

Lately, his lab scares people about food and water so he can sell them products at high prices. He has supported the work of AJW- a fellow who was struck off because of his dishonest research. His bio ( Health Ranger.com) says that one of his role models is Gary Null, another scam artist whose healthy products once poisoned customers and himself. Both posture and pose as scientists and humanitarians to sell products. And themselves.

Mike didn't have the intelligence, fortitude and endurance to get an education in science, be tried and tested by the system and then work in a field that directly helps people.
Dr DG did. And he's also a much better writer.
Which tells me LOTS.

** prn's guru claims that a high-profile natural heath guru was threatened with kidnapping there and left the country in response to a caller inquiring about Ecuador.

By Denice Walter (not verified) on 20 Apr 2016 #permalink

He's found his niche to make some serious $$ and anyone that's a threat to that is going to get attacked. Happens in any industry. However, it doesn't make him less sleazy.

Another telling characteristic:
both woo-meisters claim that they don't drink alcohol.
EVER.

Now would you trust an adult man ( who is not a member of an abstaining religious group or has a serious health condition) aged between 45-70+ who claims to NEVER drink ( in one case NOT ever in his life)?

I find that highly unlikely and if true, very very odd.

By Denice Walter (not verified) on 20 Apr 2016 #permalink

OT, but this NY Times blog article about a decrease in childhood ear infections, attributed partly to vaccines, was in my University's news feed this morning, in case you need a blogging topic in the near future. I was expecting to see screaming in the quack-o-sphere, but it seems they're all too busy getting their panties in a twist over the Vaxxed movie to notice.

"Another telling characteristic:
both woo-meisters claim that they don’t drink alcohol.
EVER."

They do not wish to pollute their bodily temples of purity and wonderfulness.

"Wine, wine, wine
Pass that bottle to me"

- Stick McGhee

By Dangerous Bacon (not verified) on 20 Apr 2016 #permalink

I realize that Mikey is probably not worth any more of Dr. G's time, however since several commenters here seem to agree he's crossed a legal line (re: libel, defamation, accusations, etc.) I'd love to see how Mikey would react to a dose of reality in the form of a lawyer's letter from Popehat demanding all libellous material be removed and corrections posted.

Free speech and opinions are one thing, but c'mon, there has to be a point where Adams's lunatic rantings are actionable. Someone has to teach him a lesson eventually.

He'd probably turn it around and cry how he's being "censored" and "repressed" by the legal system, in cahoots with the evil gubbmint, the NWO, the "banksters", Hillary Clinton and of course the Jooos.

By Woo Fighter (not verified) on 20 Apr 2016 #permalink

I would disagree that legal action is warranted. Why bother even if there was libel? It would lend credibility to a whacko like Adams and besides, I don't think our gracious overlord even suggested that's a route he would bother with. You simply counter with the facts and leave frivolous litigation to the likes of the cranks.

By Science Mom (not verified) on 20 Apr 2016 #permalink

@ Dangerous Bacon:

I sometimes ask myself" " Where would I be without gin? "
ABSOLUTELY true:
- my ancestors accumulated money through the manufacture of gin and later selling their business- this funded a grandparent leading to other businesses and
- I drank Tanqueray, tonic with benzodiazepine. in order to survive
qualifying exams ( not that much meds or else I'd be dead and unable to relate the tale.).

By Denice Walter (not verified) on 20 Apr 2016 #permalink

@Denice: Better living through chemistry! ;)
Well, until the crash...

By Wzrd1 (not verified) on 20 Apr 2016 #permalink

In reply to by Denice Walter (not verified)

@Wzrd1 and DW: Gin and Bitter Lemon at my house?

MI Dawn, I'd love to, but alas, I'm halfway across the country from you.

By Wzrd1 (not verified) on 20 Apr 2016 #permalink

In reply to by MI Dawn (not verified)

@ Woo Fighter:

Mike and company make their fortune by lying so why would they be any different about Dr DG or anyone else?

I think that Mike can be made accountable for his sins by other means such as countering his nonsense with reality over the 'net.

I don't know if I would sue if I were Dr DG. I'd have to think a lot about it.
HOWEVER he works for an institute or two that are also being slimed. I wonder what they think?

By Denice Walter (not verified) on 20 Apr 2016 #permalink

I just recalled something about Mike that doesn't jive/ is jive:

- on the old Health Ranger site ( disappeared but accessible) in his bio he says that his parents worked doing drug trials or suchlike for Big Pharma so he followed that paradigm- drs, meds- until he became sick and fat ( as a software entrepreneur) when he saw the light and repented, learning nutrition.
- HOWEVER on the new HR site, bio, he says he had to choose a state university and couldn't continue in grad school because his parents couldn't afford it etc.

Wouldn't TWO parents working in research earn enough ?

By Denice Walter (not verified) on 20 Apr 2016 #permalink

“Son, never trust a man who doesn’t drink because he’s probably a self-righteous sort, a man who thinks he knows right from wrong all the time. Some of them are good men, but in the name of goodness, they cause most of the suffering in the world. They’re the judges, the meddlers. And, son, never trust a man who drinks but refuses to get drunk. They’re usually afraid of something deep down inside, either that they’re a coward or a fool or mean and violent. You can’t trust a man who’s afraid of himself."

- James Crumley

By Mephistopheles… (not verified) on 20 Apr 2016 #permalink

I still that lab he's pictured in is green screen.

And, reading one of the articles there yesterday (don't know what got into me), he referred to [i]epidemiologist[/i] Jake Crosby.

Wait. What?

We should feel sorry for poor Mikey. He's been slapped up beside the head so many times when men, women, life, science, animals, fish have rejected him that he probably has CTE and dementia. If only he would donate his brain or whatever is between his ears to science to see if CTE is really his problem.

I am not a doctor so there is no medical validity to the above comments.

I drank Tanqueray, tonic with benzodiazepine. in order to survive
qualifying exams ( not that much meds or else I’d be dead and unable to relate the tale.).

I've been mixing booze and gabapentin myself recently; less dangerous than booze and benzos, I imagine. (That plus benzos are addictive, and neither my shrink nor I think that they're very good for me. I did get some good doses of them in the psych ward(s).)

Currently drinking some home-brewed (by my uncle, who lives a ten or fifteen minute walk away) porter. It'll cure what ails you.

I was up to 3.5 liters of whiskey a week, the nurse taking my new patient history must have thought I was joking.
Once my primary learned how much I was drinking to sleep through the night, he gave me tramadol (I requested that or codeine), just enough to take the edge off and let me sleep the night.
Now, I'm down to a much lower ethanol consumption.
Amazingly, my liver enzymes are all still good.

By Wzrd1 (not verified) on 20 Apr 2016 #permalink

In reply to by JP (not verified)

less dangerous than booze and benzos, I imagine
Both GABA agonists, if memory serves, so pretty substitutable.

By herr doktor bimler (not verified) on 20 Apr 2016 #permalink

he referred to [i]epidemiologist[/i] Jake Crosby. Wait. What?

My BA is in Chinese, so that makes me a Sinologist, right?

By shay simmons (not verified) on 20 Apr 2016 #permalink

Federal Bureau of Investigation, Detroit office
Special Agent in Charge David P. Gelios
477 Michigan Ave., 26th Floor
Detroit, MI 48226

OFFICIAL COMPLAINT OF SUSPICION OF ONGOING CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY, NOTIFICATION OF IMMINENT DANGER TO PUBLIC SAFETY AND A CALL FOR INVESTIGATION OF KARMANOS PERSONNEL INCLUDING DR. DAVID GORSKI

@ JP:

That was before you were born.
I only did it 2-3 times a week for a few months. Low doses.
I never was addicted to anything except cigarettes. I quit that.

I wouldn't recommend any of these combos.

Oddly enough, one of my friends just described her long flight regime: similar meds and red wine for a Transatlantic flight.

By Denice Walter (not verified) on 20 Apr 2016 #permalink

@ Tony C:

Re Jake epi.
He does have an MPH degree. But SERIOUSLY.
Ren doesn't think so.

By Denice Walter (not verified) on 20 Apr 2016 #permalink

I wouldn’t recommend any of these combos.

There is a story involving a friend of mine who had taken Valium during a difficult time, then called me to see if I wanted to go out for drinks. Interesting night. He's gay, but we ended up fooling around. (He and his long-distance beau in Croatia had just broken things off, I think he was feeling a little needy.)

It led to some heartbreak. He recently fell in love with another woman, but it didn't go anywhere because he couldn't figure out to do with her. Kind of the same story.

@ shay:

To answer your question form the other blog, SBM:

Mike, on Health Ranger, brags about all of the science and maths he studied, his fabulous grades and that he has a BS degree
but he never says what degree and from where ( a state university in the Midwest)

but putting things together ( as I do so well )

- he's from Kansas
- on his post about his "Brush with Poverty" ( NN/ 2014 IIRC g--gle it),
he says he has a degree in Technical Writing-
whatever that is. So who knows. Is it science?

By Denice Walter (not verified) on 20 Apr 2016 #permalink

@Denice:

I am a former USMC weapons and tactics instructor who just retired from a position as a terrorism expert for the government.

The above statement is 100% true. It's also misleading as hell, since a) WTIs in the Marine Corps conduct classroom instruction for air wing types on Soviet weapons systems and b) I was the county bioterrorism/public health planner.

But heck, the other way sounds so much more exciting, dunnit?

By shay simmons (not verified) on 20 Apr 2016 #permalink

Both GABA agonists, if memory serves, so pretty substitutable.

Not really in practice. It's also nearly impossible to kill oneself by overdosing on benzodiazepines alone.

I'm 62. Don't drink. Never have. I was an only child in a single parent home, and moving into adolescence never even considered getting into teenage behavior that could cause trouble for my mom. By the time I got to high school, my mom had a pretty serious drinking problem, and I didn't want to get into that. My few close friends, my BFF in particular, were weirdo brainiacs and minor sport jocks who didn't 'party'. We had other outlets for iconoclastic rebellion. None of us were self-righteous moralists about sobriety, either for ourselves or against the norm. We just wanted to keep our edge. We were loose and loopy w/o chemicals. During my UG years, two of my young childhood friends ODed, and others messed up their lives with booze.

Our wider social group, rec league softball guys, were typical Midwestern young dudes. They threw to a potluck tail-gate party in a stadium parking lot, I was assigned to bring chips so that's all I did, and of course, the guys who brought drinks didn't bring anything non-alcoholic, and there was no place around to go buy a two liter. I wasn't about to bail in a snit or anything, so we all hung out, and as I chowed down on the burgers and salty snacks, I drank just enough soda-pop wine (Spaniada, IIRC) to wash down some of the salt and stay hydrated. I wound up an inadvertant buzz, and I absolutely. effing. hated it. I was far from drunk – no alteration of speech or motor skills – but my head wasn't clear and was wandering off in odd directions. I just wanted to go back to being me, my own default vector of 'weird'.

I have absolutely nothing in common with Mike Adams. i wrote this because when I read Denise #37, I felt genuinely hurt and sad.

I probably shouldn't drink, but I do, even though it has gotten me into trouble before. Things might have turned out better in general if I had taken sadmar's route.

Penn Jillette claims to never have had a drink of alcohol in his life. My dad was a teetotaler, having had a drinking problem in his 20s. There are plenty of people out there who don't drink, and possibly never have, for all kinds of reasons.

jason - Based on the few FBI agents I know, that one's going to get exactly the amount of attention it warrants.

By shay simmons (not verified) on 20 Apr 2016 #permalink

"Mike, on Health Ranger, brags about all of the science and maths he studied, his fabulous grades and that he has a BS degree"

He has transcended mere degrees. He is a BS Grandmaster.

By Dangerous Bacon (not verified) on 20 Apr 2016 #permalink

@ sadmar:

It was partially tongue n cheek.

Like people who are in certain religious groups or have a serious condition, you have very good, rational reasons to not drink.

Truly most men in the West experiment with alcohol;

My own father had about 10 drinks in his long life.

By Denice Walter (not verified) on 20 Apr 2016 #permalink

Speaking of which, Adams seems to have jumped the shark with his latest allegations.

Bizarre even by NN standards.

By Dangerous Bacon (not verified) on 20 Apr 2016 #permalink

Speaking of which, Adams seems to have jumped the shark with his latest allegations.

I believe there are no sharks left in the ocean for Mikey to jump.

By Chris Preston (not verified) on 20 Apr 2016 #permalink

Six will get you ten that this is a fake letter, only posted by the deRanger to titillate the faithful.

By shay simmons (not verified) on 20 Apr 2016 #permalink

Beyond titillation, could there be a justifiable suspicion (to use NN-speak) that this upsurge in apparent lunacy is a calculated attempt to get a certain physician's employer ticked off enough to pressure him to lay off the esteemed Mr. Adams?

I do hope this kerfuffle doesn't jeopardize the Adams-Gorski debate at Autism One next month, moderated by Del Bigtree.

By Dangerous Bacon (not verified) on 20 Apr 2016 #permalink

Beyond titillation, could there be a justifiable suspicion (to use NN-speak) that this upsurge in apparent lunacy is a calculated attempt to get a certain physician’s employer ticked off enough to pressure him to lay off the esteemed Mr. Adams?

I do hope this kerfuffle doesn’t jeopardize the Adams-Orac debate at Autism One next month, moderated by Del Bigtree.

By Dangerous Bacon (not verified) on 20 Apr 2016 #permalink

Beyond titillation, could there be a justifiable suspicion (to use NN-speak) that this upsurge in apparent lunacy is a calculated attempt to get a certain physician’s employer ticked off enough to pressure him to lay off the esteemed Mr. Adams?

Ya think?

It is probably that the sCAMer's shill checks have been delayed to force more action from certain employees.

Ugh, more BS from Mike Adams.

Keep fighting the good fight, Orac; I've been a regular reader for the last decade and see no reason to ever change. The good you're doing means something.

Dear Denice@37,

They lie... Only one that I know in my network is my oldest brother who only drank twice in his life (16 years old). First time in "catimini", second time, my father invite him for a drink... 2 pack of 24 and three bottles of 40 ounces of vodka, the brother never ever drank again ;)

Al

@Orac (#69),

You rock...

That reminds me:

Q. What does a geologist sound like when falling down a rocky slope.

A. Rock & Roll

By Michael J. Dochniak (not verified) on 20 Apr 2016 #permalink

Denice@47: The part about not being able to afford grad school is plausible. In fields other than science and engineering, students are expected to pay tuition somehow (fellowships are available but rare, and I suspect Mike wasn't good enough to get one), and it's difficult to be a full-time student with a full-time job. As for the rest, it would require Mike's parents to have had an astounding lack of understanding of the financial aid system. Loans and especially grants to cover the cost of a university education were even more readily available in the 1980s (I am guesstimating Mike's age as being within a few years either side of mine, and I went to college in the 1980s) than today, and if his parents really were researchers, they presumably stuck around universities long enough to have an idea how the system worked (not to mention that his high school counselor would have been able to clue them in if they didn't know). Of course, he might be lying about his parents' occupations--maybe they were techs or janitors who happened to work for Big Pharma, and didn't even graduate from college themselves. Or he went to high school in a place where few students went on to college (but Big Pharma rarely puts facilities in places like that).

By Eric Lund (not verified) on 20 Apr 2016 #permalink

did Adams actually file a report, or just type up a bunch of jibberish using an official-looking header?

One wonders if he can be charged with filing a false report.

To the feds? Section 1001(a) generally plays a "gotcha" in ongoing investigations, as I understand from reading Ken White. Similarly, I doubt that a batsh*t-crazy "complaint" to the FBI is going to catch the attention of a federal prosecutor. One can always hope, but I suspect that the outcome may be a sternly worded invocation of the law in a letter from the FBI or, at best, a personal visit for the reminder that would cause Mikey to wet the imaginary pistol strapped to his ankle.

@ Eric Lund:

I think he's 48 or 49 and from Lawrence Kansas.
Take a look at his current Health Ranger.com bio.

A psychologist could make much of a self- written bio.

What I see ( w/o dx) is, like that other idiot ( @ prn.fm), he makes much of his spectacular talents, intelligence and scientific background ( the other also claims to have been an inventor as a teenager and later, a research fellow in bio) yet they never seem to follow any traditional pathway to a good education but are self-taught, mail order, non-related studies etc).

Usually smart people- even in non-socialised countries, find ways to get an education. Both are of an age when schooling was cheaper.

Yet both dare to critique the whole f science, medicine and psychology. Both ape scientists' work- labs, studies, protocols.

And oddly enough, booth play investigative reporter: uncovering scandals, malfeasance and fraud.

By Denice Walter (not verified) on 20 Apr 2016 #permalink

@Eric: I was the only American student in my graduate program who finished not owing one thin dime, thanks to the GI Bill (Whenever anyone thanks me for my service, I always thank them for my degree). Both my sisters (USA, USN) have Master's degrees as well, paid for by the American taxpayer. It's not a bad deal.

By shay simmons (not verified) on 20 Apr 2016 #permalink

The part about not being able to afford grad school is plausible.

Except for the part about grad school in what? Is there a postgraduate degree path for holders of a bachelor's in "technical writing"? Does such a degree even exist in the first place?

Oh, wait, Mikey wanted to go to business school (or, as he puts it, "a technical route"):

I ultimately graduated with a four-year Bachelor of Science degree in technical writing. My specialty was writing English documentation for technical concepts, especially those related to computer hardware and software technology.

Upon graduating, I took the GMAT with the intention to explore graduate school.

I also tend to doubt the claim – during the presumptive time frame – that he "had funded a large portion of [his] living expenses with credit cards," yielding "a mountain of personal debt." What kind of a credit line would an undergraduate have received in the '80s?* Nobody was accepting credit cards for rent back then, in my experience, and he carefully excludes tuition.

I'm guessing that it took him four years to earn an associate's degree.

* For that matter, "the U.S. economy was in a deep recession at the time, and jobs were very difficult to come by." Well? I'm not going to bother looking up the prevailing interest rates.

^ I suppose italic fails are "better" than link and blockquote fails.

“had funded a large portion of [his] living expenses with credit cards,”

He doesn't say they were his.

By herr doktor bimler (not verified) on 20 Apr 2016 #permalink

When Mikey jumps the shark, it strains all credulity:

Please note that Natural News has no financial motive or anything to materially gain from filing this complaint and raising these allegations.

Which then segues inexplicably, and not at all smoothly, into

Yet we are asserting these allegations based on good faith […]

Who, other than fellow Health Freedumb acolytes, would fail to see through this?
He is explicitly attempting to poke the hornet’s nest (as he sees it) with*

Notably, we are also likely to be threatened with legal action by Dr. Gorski, who will almost certainly attempt to silence us, intimidate us or possibly even attempt to cause us personal harm through a variety of nefarious and criminal means that are consistent with his verbal attacks and pathological personality.

Is this meant to be a 2A threat?

We are taking prudent steps to protect our legal rights under the First Amendment and to protect our persons from physical harm through all legal means available to us under established law. [emphasis added]

Given the nature of the interwebz, it is unclear whether one need rush out for boots in which to quake.
He closes in true Erin Elizabeth-Brave Maverick territory.

We furthermore note, on the record, that if any harm comes to any Natural News investigators or editors, we urge law enforcement to immediately investigate Dr. Gorski and Karmanos-linked individuals as having clear motive.

Christ on a pogo stick, GMAFB.

What a skeevy, pathetic wanker.

Because nothing says "I'm a real scientist" like bringing a water bottle into a wetlab where you test toxic substances.

By Matt Carey (not verified) on 20 Apr 2016 #permalink

Don't forget that other altie loons ( AJW, Null, respectively) have sued a newspaper, a television station, a reporter, a journal editor, AND the FDA, Wikip---,, a blogger etc.

By filing complaints, Mikey saves money on lawyers:.would he continue until he has to pay for legal representation?

Probably not.
It's a publicity stunt.
I hope it gets him in trouble.

By Denice Walter (not verified) on 20 Apr 2016 #permalink

Can anyone tell me the time between Adam's various lab photos? This equipment set-up looks identical to the last one I saw months ago. No real lab that is functional and at all busy shows no changes, nor does it look that empty of any consumables or reagents. That's a movie set. not an operating facility.

By Jerry Alexandratos (not verified) on 20 Apr 2016 #permalink

Mike Adams really doesn't like defamatory words or cyber-bullying, and thinks they warrant bumptious threats of litigation:

As you are now well aware, you are about to be named in a personal lawsuit which will cite the extensive body of your defamation and cyber bullying efforts, all of which have been archived and time stamped for court evidence. You can count on this lawsuit requiring considerable resources of your time and money for the foreseeable future.

You are no doubt also aware that I have many friends in law enforcement and that we are simultaneously pursuing an effort to have you arrested and charged with cyber bullying crimes. I honestly cannot say for sure whether such an effort will be successful, but it is one of the areas we are actively pursuing against you.

But at least his Ace Team of Lawyers Censorious Asshats have provided a useful template that might be used to write back to him:

We are writing to warn you of impending legal action we will take against you should you not abide by our following demands:

1) Immediately retract all content relating to Mike Adams and/or NaturalNews.com from all websites you exert control and/or influence over, including www.geneticliteracyproject.org;

2) Agree to cease from publishing any further information relating to Mike Adams or NaturalNews.com;

3) Issue a public apology for publishing defamatory information relating to Mike Adams and NaturalNews.com;

4) Compensate Mike Adams in the amount of $3,000.00 for legal fees incurred.

By herr doktor bimler (not verified) on 20 Apr 2016 #permalink

Could there be a justifiable suspicion that this upsurge in apparent lunacy is a calculated attempt to get a certain physician’s employer ticked off enough to pressure him to lay off the esteemed Mr. Adams?

No, as said physician hasn't been laying it on Adams of late. There could,, however, be a justifiable suspicion that this upsurge in apparent lunacy is a calculated attempt to get the doc's to lay off the un-esteemed Andrew Wakefield.

I doubt the physician will hear 'boo' from his employer, as Adams has villfified THEM first and foremost in his attempt to weigh down the physician with the task of dumping off imaginary dirt.

@herr doktor bimler, I think the best response to Adams' letter would be along the lines of "We refer you to the response in Arkell vs. PressDram".

By Julian Frost (not verified) on 20 Apr 2016 #permalink

He closes in true Erin Elizabeth-Brave Maverick territory.
"We furthermore note, on the record, that if any harm comes to any Natural News investigators or editors, we urge law enforcement to immediately investigate Dr. Gorski and Karmanos-linked individuals as having clear motive."

Which reminds me -- the GoFundMe page that Bradstreet's brother and sister-in-law set up, to hire Private Detectives to investigate THE TRUTH behind his suicide, must have reached its target of $25000... because they increased the target to $50k, to see how much more money would fall out of the stupid tree. Dramatic announcements have been promised real soon now for the last 4 months.

People commenting at the GoFundMe to ask for details on how the money was spent, and about progress, are referred to the "Remembering Dr Bradstreet" FB page. People asking for details at the FB page are referred to the GoFundMe.
I suppose it's one way of commemorating Bradstreet's career as a worthless grifter.

By herr doktor bimler (not verified) on 20 Apr 2016 #permalink

Re. Amathyst @ 1:
That's not a water bottle, it's an "adult novelty" of the "insertive" variety.
Since Adams is such an enormous a**h***, it's just about the right size for the job.

Sadmar @ 33: Good catch, and methinks it's going to be necessary to keep a finger on the pulse of a bunch of Wikipedia articles that might come in for "edits" by Mikey and his trolls.

Denice @ 37 & Dangerous Bacon @ 39 & MOB at 48: I fit your demographic, have never been drunk or even tipsy in my life, and drink next to zero alcohol (as in, maybe one beer in a year). This due to the risk of "alcoholism genes" in the family, and frankly also my disdain for drugs that, as commonly used, destroy brain cells in large quantities. I do smoke a little pot: about a gram a year. If psilocybin was readily available I'd probably take a half-dose twice a year, to empty the mental recycle-bins and give my creative side a boost. So there;-)

Sadmar @ 62: "Just want to keep our edge." Exactly. No way I'd enjoy taking something to get stupid, and I've never understood how people can enjoy dropping their effective IQ by about 1/3 while hanging out with friends. My favorite high right now is Straus Farms ice cream. The best ice cream on the planet, and worth putting up with a trip to Whole Woos to get it.

By Gray Squirrel (not verified) on 21 Apr 2016 #permalink

Getting drunk isn't really about becoming stupider, it is about loosening (or losing!) your inhibitions. If there was a way to do that without making you dumber in the process, I'd be all over that. I don't really like the taste of booze.

Jason @ 55, Orac @ 69, etc.: Apparently the slimy weasel removed the FBI item from his website, thereby saving himself from getting charged with filing a false report. Darn.

WHOA THERE! that item in Discover constitutes extortion by the legal definition. (Herr Doktor Bimler @ 90).

First he threatens civil litigation unless his demands are met. So far that's legal, if slimy.

Then he says "You are no doubt also aware that I have many friends in law enforcement and that we are simultaneously pursuing an effort to have you arrested and charged with cyber bullying crimes."

That's extortion: the threat of criminal prosecution in the context of the demand for retractions etc. Threatening to have someone prosecuted for a crime, unless they comply with demands, is one of the definitions of extortion, and he has just convicted himself with that letter.

That appears to be just shy of two years old, but if the statute of limitations hasn't run, I'd suggest it would be highly worthwhile avenue to go after him for that.

The fact that he says he's pursuing it with "friends" in LE makes it worse, though I don't know if there's a specific statute involved. Bottom line is, to pursue a criminal complaint, he has to go through proper channels, not "friends."

So I'd suggest that someone drop a dime on him for that extortion letter: the person to whom it was directed should file a complaint. I'm shocked that Forbes' lawyers didn't pick up on it immediately.

As for why NN has been purged of Mikey's ridiculous complaint to the FBI, they probably had a few words with him, that were sufficient to make him wet his pants and take down the item in question.

I'm inclined to think that, one of these days, Mikey is going to go over the line of the law sufficiently far, that some overworked prosecutor is going to find a way to make time in his/her schedule to deal with him. Probably sooner than later, as Mikey appears to be spinning more and more out of control lately.

But how's he going to get his organic smoothies with super-duper extra nutrients, when he's in prison?

By Gray Squirrel (not verified) on 21 Apr 2016 #permalink

I think he’s 48 or 49 and from Lawrence Kansas.

Lawrence is a university town, so it's likely that one or both parents were faculty or staff there. Many universities, including my present employer, offer tuition discounts to children of faculty and staff. So it would have been very attractive from his parents' point of view for him to attend Local U., especially if they lived close enough for him to live at home (eliminating room and board expenses). I have a co-worker in an analogous situation: his daughter, now a junior in high school, wants to go to MIT, but he wants her to go to Local U. (for the tuition discount) and live at home (about 30 minutes walk from campus if she doesn't carpool with Dad).

What kind of a credit line would an undergraduate have received in the ’80s?

I had a credit card as an undergraduate in the '80s, and I knew more than one student who admitted at the time to being in trouble with credit card debt. It's very tempting to live beyond your means, and credit cards make that easier to do. So there is nothing facially implausible about Mike's claims to have been in debt trouble from credit cards. See above for why rent and tuition would not have been an issue for Mike.

By Eric Lund (not verified) on 21 Apr 2016 #permalink

#26 darwinslapdog,

Funny you mention that, with the obvious robust safety profile of Mercola's sunbeds (as defended on Natural news this very week) you'd have thought he'd be full-on Hollywood Orange wouldn't you?

By Guy Chapman (not verified) on 21 Apr 2016 #permalink

@Eric Lund: that's how my dad and his 2 brothers went to college in the 1950s. Gramp taught at U of Wyoming; all 3 boys got their undergrad degree there and lived at home.

@97

Wow, that's really how it works? I dunno... seems kinda unfair towards other students? How big of a discount are we talking here? :C

@ Eric Lund:

The strange thing is that he went to such great lengths discussing his parents' careers in Big Pharma in the original, now hidden, bio, but in his 'brush with poverty' article they are simply 'middle class' Similar in new HR bio.. I suppose different narratives require different details.

Actually, I don't buy very much of what he says about his education: if you receive a technical degree in most places, you don't need to study diverse humanities/ science as he said he did.
The whole thing looks funny to me. I agree with Narad.

Mikey's recent stunts look like an effort to get page views up.
Remember his windup to the opening of his lab or 3D print shop? Like the other woo-meister magna laude, he always has something earth shattering in the works.

He has a book coming out "Food Forensics" in June IIRC.

By Denice Walter (not verified) on 21 Apr 2016 #permalink

Amethyst: "How big of a discount are we talking here? :C"

A friend with a PhD teaches at a local private Jesuit university, a job he has had for about twenty years. They do not have to pay any tuition for their daughter to attend the school, but they do have to pay dorm fees.

Which is really a good thing, because with him teaching both physics and calculus he makes just a bit more than my 25 year old son does at his BA in Math in his second year of employment.

Eric and others -- the school I work for (you know the one, Eric!) offers nothing whatsoever for tuition relief to faculty and staff (and it's one of the high sticker-price places).

Many years ago someone pointed out that this unfairly disadvantaged the childless, so they upped the retirement payments instead. So this practice of helping out with faculty children is far from universal.

By palindrom (not verified) on 21 Apr 2016 #permalink

Chris@103 - the university where my dad taught German finally offered free tuition to faculty members' children, about ten years too late for me to take advantage of it. He switched from teaching to administration about the time my youngest brother hit grade school; the money was better.

By shay simmons (not verified) on 21 Apr 2016 #permalink

Apparently, too much Beer could lead VPD outbreaks.

Eric and others — the school I work for (you know the one, Eric!) offers nothing whatsoever for tuition relief to faculty and staff (and it’s one of the high sticker-price places).

I see that the (high sticker price) school that I used to work for is now offering sliding-scale tuition remission for staff whose children attend its in-house K-12 private school – 85% for an AGI under $45,000. Even better, it's now tax-free (When I was there, the value of the 50% discount for staff who wanted to take courses for credit counted as income; I opted for simply auditing, although they were nice enough to grade my problem sets and tests.)

Assistance for children's undergraduate education follows a complicated formula depending on compensation level, division, and hire date (which affects taxability), but basically, a tenure-track appointment nets one a tuition benefit anywhere up to 75% of the home rate.

J3sus Christ!

Mikey perseverates on Dr DG in a disturbing manner and writes a weird out post about the death of Prince, the Queen's birthday and transgender toilets.

By Denice Walter (not verified) on 21 Apr 2016 #permalink

Mikey should test his own water supply:
I suspect psilocybin or worse.

By Denice Walter (not verified) on 21 Apr 2016 #permalink

Mikey perseverates on Dr DG in a disturbing manner and writes a weird out post about the death of Prince, the Queen’s birthday and transgender toilets.

Next, he'll be blaming him for the Flint water crisis.

I can't believe Prince is responsible for the Flint water crisis.

Though his song "Something In The Water" is eerily prescient.

Must be something in the water they drink
It’s been the same with every girl I've had
Must be something in the water you drink
Why else would a woman wanna treat a man so bad?

By Dangerous Bacon (not verified) on 21 Apr 2016 #permalink

#50
"We should feel sorry for poor Mikey. "

Between the email spam business and the woo empire, Adams has at minimum 8 figure wealth. I wouldn't feel too bad for him.

By Spectator (not verified) on 21 Apr 2016 #permalink

I listened to about half of the Robert Scott Bell Show tape included on the post about Dr DG with Mike and Bollinger.
Mikey doesn't know much about how people receive cancer treatment or for that matter, much about how mental illness manifests. Thus, his accusations are rather hollow. I won't say how because it might give him hints and I wouldn't want to interfere with his cluelessness- it's so precious.

By Denice Walter (not verified) on 21 Apr 2016 #permalink

"Next, he’ll be blaming him for the Flint water crisis."

The 3rd and 4th letters of Prince and Flint are identical, and Michigan and Minnesota both start with M. Then he mysteriously dies right when criminal charges are filed. It all fits!!!!!!

OT, but still out with the loons, Joseph Mercola's other half has a new blog post about Washington State's attempts to control gypsy moth. Apparently the only Bt that Elizabeth has ever heard about is the GM protein in corn, so in her version Seattle is about to be sprayed with GMO bacteria.

What will actually be applied is a bacterium that naturally makes the Bt protein and is approved for use in organic agriculture.

If the story is not strange enough, then the comments are. Some serious crank magnetism on show.

By Chris preston (not verified) on 21 Apr 2016 #permalink

Yeah, I saw that.

I joined a local social group and someone posted Erin's fact free fearmongering HealthNutNews about GMO B.t... to combat gypsy moths (which is a real threat to our greenery).. Nothing in the article references any genetically engineered organism, as far as I know it is the same soil B.t stuff you can buy in any garden nursery.

Fortunately our locals are setting the original poster straight (we are in the shadow of a major state university). I would post the link, but this is community list is managed in such a way that you really must need to be signed in to see stuff.

One of the random responses (okay it was just above mine): "I learned today that the dept of agriculture is working hard to protect trees in this state, using proven and natural methods. And that healthnutnews is completely not credible."

OMG, now he's making sworn testimony to the FBI and fears for his life. Just wow. The mans a marvel!

Denise @ 109:

Psilocybin is "safe and effective when used as directed," in FDA-approved human subject research protocols under the supervision of competent psychiatrists. Some day, we can hope, Schedule II status. I used to advocate Schedule III, but reading Orac's columns for years has convinced me that S III is too loose and would enable flocks of quacks to rush in, which would be a horror show. S II should be sufficient to keep quacks out while supporting legitimate research and cautious clinical applications.

If Mikey is ingesting anything, it's probably Jimson Weed, a nasty deliriant. Someone ought to start sending him samples of legal marijuana to test in his lab, on the chance that he might test some of them on himself and mellow out.

By Gray Squirrel (not verified) on 22 Apr 2016 #permalink

A little insight about MIkey's methods:

if you look at NN's home page, you'll see numbers next to each article. I feel, after watching these closely for the past year or so, that they may indicate which topics he repeats:

e.g. if he writes about vaccines-autism ( VAXXED) or cataclysms on the event horizon, he usually gets big numbers, in the thousands. Others do not work out as well and the topic fades away ( such as his hydroponics- 3D printer nonsense)

Now look at the stories ( or fairy tales, if you will) about Dr DG: I see smaller numbers, 200 or so.

By Denice Walter (not verified) on 22 Apr 2016 #permalink

Sigh. Adams' crew is still at it. However, you can tell they're running out of steam, as they're just repeating variations of the same thing over and over.

"we consistently find a pattern of exploiting innocent people for personal profit and greed," said Mike Adams"

Irony meters explode in distant galaxies.

By Dangerous Bacon (not verified) on 22 Apr 2016 #permalink

Indeed.

Fortunately, Adams is his own worst enemy. His screeds are so over-the-top and obviously batshit crazy that the only people who pay attention to them are as batshit crazy as he is.

Problem is its the bat shit crazy ones you have to watch out for!

I've never had a drink either; a close family member was such a horrible example that I've been phobic about it for life.

Plus, I had no friends through my school days due to Asperger's, thus, no peer pressure! XD

By Darthhellokitty (not verified) on 22 Apr 2016 #permalink

now he’s making sworn testimony to the FBI

He is showing his great naivete in trusting a governmental agency.
Doesn't he know that Monsanto is bribing the FBI as much as the CDC?

By Helianthus (not verified) on 22 Apr 2016 #permalink

"Problem is its the bat shit crazy ones you have to watch out for!"

The bats are becoming increasingly uneasy about the weird humans following them around with paper bags and a plastic scoops.

You don't have to thank me - it's my JOB!

Yesterday I listened to nearly half of the Robert Scott Bell tape - on Mikey's post about the ( ahem!) "Science Troll DG..."- with Bollinger and Adams
and,
being a dutiful SB minion, I decided to sit down with the cat and listen to the ENTIRE ( confabulatory wet dream of woo enablement & general bollux) I mean, 34 minute episode.

OMFG they are out of their frigging minds.

Mike even pulls out the race card-
cancer fraud in Detroit, black people live in Detroit, DG is in Detroit, whistle blower black boys, Tuskegee!.
I almost thought I was listening to Jake.

How awful is it?
Let's see:
if I said that I saw a man who lives nearby carrying a pipe and we know that people have been killed with pipes-
I'm making a report BECAUSE..... PIPES KILL!
their material is even worse than mine because I did see a man with a pipe once.

By Denice Walter (not verified) on 22 Apr 2016 #permalink

OMFG they are out of their frigging minds.

I'm not sure what to make of this item, in which an audiotape with someone purporting to be Adams' former mistress is released in retribution for his slandering the Flat Earth "movement," or something.

Fortunately, Adams is his own worst enemy. His screeds are so over-the-top and obviously batshit crazy that the only people who pay attention to them are as batshit crazy as he is.

I was catching up on Popehat tonight, and as it happens, in a post about a libel case that correctly had not crossed my radar,* Ken White reminded me that the Ninth Circuit had previously employed the Batshit-Crazy Rule: "can someone be so notoriously full of shit that they are incapable of defamation, because no reasonable person familiar with them would interpret anything they say as provable fact?"

* It's an entertaining read even if the specific case isn't all that interesting to those who don't follow political sideshows; "Trumpalos" just needs one more "p," IMHO.

its the bat shit crazy ones you have to watch out for!

Any sufficiently advanced grifting is indistinguishable from mental illness.
Mikey and his competitors (including a few politicians) are all shearing the same flock of information-averse create-my-own-reality Truthers. Although they are trying to grow the flock as well as harvest it, competition is still tight, and everyone is trying to stand out somehow.

the obvious robust safety profile of Mercola’s sunbeds (as defended on Natural news this very week)

Mercola also peddles organic spray-on tan, so really there is no excuse to remain un-bronzed.

By herr doktor bimler (not verified) on 22 Apr 2016 #permalink

@ Narad:

That's funny.
I couldn't get the tape to play. I wonder why?

I like how Mike says, he heard something or sources have told him.. hehe.

I have heard that he had to leave Ecuador because of kidnapping threats.

I'm sure that people with personalities/ MOs like him have many people in their personal lives with axes to grind.

I've always felt I shouldn't seek retribution if someone didn't treat me fairly:
because it probably wasn't the first time they acted in this fashion and eventually, they will cross someone who is totally wacko and then they will eat their just desserts.
Similarly if I'm cut off by a bad driver: bad drivers get in accidents and other types of trouble. Let them ride off to that inevitability. I don't have to apportion justice. The world will.

By Denice Walter (not verified) on 23 Apr 2016 #permalink

@ herr doktor bimler:

"competition is still tight and everyone is trying to stand out.."

Oh, that's for sure!

I hear/ read so much unbelievable hyperbole/ claptrap
- it's like a tall tales contest amongst either ( two categories) woo-meisters or "thinking" moms.

I especially enjoy when the former predict economic, political and/ or environmental Apocalypse.

They're not great at planning because WHERE can you go after that?- if EVERYTHING is ruined, destroyed, over, you have nothing to predict anymore and people can say, he predicted ruin and it hasn't come yet.

Oddly enough, many of these people have archived their predictions. I think Health Ranger has something like that and obviously, Gerald Celente. They don't scrub it.
They SAVE it.

By Denice Walter (not verified) on 23 Apr 2016 #permalink

Speaking of Detroit - a Pistons rookie claimed he was "in LeBron James' head" - meaning the Cleveland star was supposedly distracted by having to compete with this marginal player.

It was a silly claim (James is having a bang-up series and his team is on the verge of closing out the Pistons), but for a real example of getting in someone's head, one need look no further than NN's "Health News" section, where a certain Dr. G. has commandeered the first four stories.

Minimum equipment required to survive even a short time in Mike Adams' head presumably would include hip boots, a gas mask and a stout radiation shield. Fukushima would be a picnic by comparison.

By Dangerous Bacon (not verified) on 23 Apr 2016 #permalink

I couldn’t get the tape to play. I wonder why?

It loaded for me, but I got bored around the 3 minute mark. She had described how he had a bunch of books in a box that interested her, and when questioned, he said he had "read all of those." She asked if she could borrow some, and he said "you can have them."

It turns out that they were all in pristine condition. "He just spends all his time in front of the computer" was roughly her comment.

Guess who is running 2 Senate candidates in each of NSW, Victoria, Queensland and Western Australia - the HAP (Health Australia Party). Guess who one of the Victorian candidates is? Dr. Isaac Golden (well, he's not actually a Medical Doctor), rather he was awarded a PhD for homoeopathic research. Apparently in April 2016 he was invited by an Indian government department to advise on planned Dengue Fever immunisation programs in Delhi and Kerala State involving millions of people.
And guess who the National President is? Professor Kerry Bone, the co-founder of MediHerb, interestingly enough.