Well, gang, the voting is closed on our first Survivor event. I would never have expected such a dramatic turn-around. From out of nowhere, John Kwok surged out of fifth place in the field — I had written him off as a bad bet — to rally astonishingly by doing one simple thing: commenting. He clobbered Pete Rooke and Simon, even, just by writing one threat (to sic his facebook friends on me), and doing his usual irritating name-dropping nonsense. He showed real heart in this race, and I'm sure that if he just continues to babble, he will eventually win his place in the fabulous Pharyngula dungeon.
In the end, though, he could not stop the juggernaut. One person stood out as a universal target for opprobrium by virtue of her homophobia and her cheerfully evil views. She was described as the Dolores Umbridge of Pharyngula. And for that reason, Barb has been found unfit, and is cast into the dungeon for all time.
Now, on Day Three of Survivor: Pharyngula!, you get to vote on who you'd next like to evict. You may notice some changes in the list.
Africangenesis
Barb
Facilis
John Kwok
Piltdown Man
Pete Rooke
Silver Fox
Simon
A few people on the first list who garnered little enthusiasm have been dropped. On the other hand, a few have been added. It's a remarkable thing: these threads represent an opportunity for readers to vent their spleens over some of the more obnoxious commenters here, and thus represent a dangerous circumstance for the pesky little goblins — you'd think, if they had an sense at all, that they'd realize this is the time they should be lying low, keeping as quiet as possible. But no! I guess if they had any brains in the first place, they wouldn't be quite as annoying. Maybe if I'd called this Shark Week: Pharyngula!, they'd have realized that jumping into a well-chummed lagoon full of vicious beasts champing their razor-toothed jaws was not a good idea.
Now vote by leaving a comment here. Or, if you'd rather, you can always send the thread off in unusual directions — the last one seemed to be all about oral sex, lesbians, and bacon. I'll tally the votes on Friday, if I can manage to pick them out of the non sequitur salad.
How about an immunity challenge for our contestants? Since the last runoff was characterized by an astonishing lack of self-awareness on the part of the victims candidates, we should test that. The challenge for the seven surviving candidates is to write a short comment, 200 words or less, that reveals that they actually understand why their attitudes and pattern of expression have so exasperated readers here, and explains what they will do to change their behavior in the future. This will be a tough one for this crowd, I'm sure. Let's see if they can wake up enough to do some honest self-assessment.
They have until 1pm tomorrow to complete the immunity challenge, and then we'll open those up to the crowd for honest evaluation.
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It's Kwok for the chop
Any of them pass the first immunity challenge "why are there still monkeys?"
What a choice! For sheer thickness of skull (I'm not sure there's a cavity within it) I lean towards Africangenesis. I do have a soft spot for Rooke, but he's so outrageous with the similes that IMHO he's worth it just for entertainment value. I'm not so familiar with all of them, so my precious vote goes to.....
Silver Fox
So the winner of this whole thing will win a spot in the dungeon, yes?
Or a spit in the dungeon. That works too.
I vote to evict PZ Myers. His crimes? Insipidity, stupidity, and wanking.
"last one seemed to be all about oral sex, lesbians, and bacon"
ROTFLMAO! What fun this place is!
Bacon and vagitarianism are wonderful!
Africangenesis
I vote Kwok. While his terrible threat had me in stitches, he comes across as such an unbearable pillock that, with Barb out of the running, none of the others that I recognise even come close.
Well, except Simon, maybe.
Oooh, this one is going to be tougher. Decisions, decisions. A chance to derail a libertard. Tempting, very tempting...
Any fans here of the Food Network show Chopped? I'm imagining...
"Chefs, open your baskets. Your ingredients for the appetizer round are...
"Fatwa envy, quotemining, Godwin, and striped bass.
"You have 20 minutes, startinggggggg... now!
What?... huh?... Oh, sorry; just daydreaming. Carry on....
Now that Barb's gone, I vote for the Kwok-pot.
Jim@5
Hoping you are being sarcastic. (And wanking is not a crime.)
Fasciitis- I mean, Facilis, for the dumb comment on the anti-condom pope blog entry.
I vote for Frank McCourt's wife.
Pete Rooke.
I got the Shark Week reference, but had to Google Dolores Umbridge. I'm sure that says something deeply disturbing about me.
Also I think the immunity challenge is a bit weak. There are hundreds of other weak creationist conspiracies to debunk. How about "Explain why scientists consider carbon dating a reliable indication of age", or how about "Explain why it took more than 5 minutes to create the Grand Canyon, and how we know this to be a fact". I mean let's have some fun with them! Make an immunity challenge they can't fake...
I'm going to have to go for Africangenesis, since it's just tiring dealing with his "perspective."
Mostly it's just so pointless. Kwok actually does make points in many cases (not always good, too often strained--but I hope he's not being voted off by anyone because of his viewpoints, only because of presentation), if you just ignore the name-dropping and high school thing. Oh, and Kwok really has tackled the IDiots on forums that we often don't see, which should count for something.
Glen D
http://tinyurl.com/6mb592
I've changed my vote to none. Simon still is purely an annoying little twit with nothing to add beyond barely school yard taunting, but fuck it.
Since Facilis actually won the first immunity challenge, shouldn't his name be removed from the list?
Maybe I don't understand how this works, since I do not watch reality shows.
For those not following closely I am reposting my profiles of the candidates.
Facilis: Has defended God killing 42 children for merely mocking a prophet. Had a "proof" of God which was just an Argument from Ignorance (summary of his argument can be found here). Somehow aced the first immunity challenge.
Quote:
[Note: This made the FSTDT Top 100]
Pete Rooke: Made EXTREMELY gruesome analogies involving corpses, rape, and books made from human skin. Then posted said analogies SEVERAL times here. Complains about the language of this blog even though he has filters blocking foul language on his browser. Seems to have greater knowledge of arcane 15th century book binding practices than sex.
Quotes
Simon: Never added a single worthwhile thing. Copies and pastes huge blocks of texts without attributing. Accuses others of being homosexual and then spends the next 10 posts graphically talking about a penis entering an anus. Congratulated PZ and wife on 29th wedding anniversary by asking how many abortions they've had during that time.
Quotes:
[Note: I literally have a dozen more quotes like the above but I think you get the picture]
"Shark Week: Pharyngula!"
I love it. I'd like to cast my vote for Kwok. It's interesting to watch someone diving into a shark tank with a bucket of chum, and not understand why the sharks are biting him.
OT: Is it just me, or is the TypeKey sign in just awful? It won't let me sign in with my email address, and if I sign in with my OpenID, it doesn't "stick".
JBlilie: "Hoping you are being sarcastic. (And wanking is not a crime.)"
Nope - dead serious. PZ should be man enough to take what he so freely dishes out. Also, he's the one who defined "wanking" as a thought crime, punishable by expulsion from this dreadful blog (a punishment much to be desired by sensible people).
Since Facilis actually won the first immunity challenge, shouldn't his name be removed from the list?
Maybe I don't understand how this works, since I do not watch reality shows.
Jim@5
Hoping you are being sarcastic. (And wanking is not a crime.)
I vote sImOn.
He adds nothing and his sentence structure and grammar are atrocious. Waste of electrons really.
I vote for Simon
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Since Facilis actually won the first immunity challenge, shouldn't his name be removed from the list?
Maybe I don't understand how this works, since I do not watch reality shows.
"last one seemed to be all about oral sex, lesbians, and bacon"
ROTFLMAO! What fun this place is!
I think simon has demonstrated ever-more unpleasant and alienated behavior.
It's time to nuke him from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
Err... I'm kind of just a lurker, but that John Kwok guy really annoys the crap out of me.
Do we hafta vote again, already? There should be at least a week between challenges. Time for a few more comments to arrive that will cement the next victim to the floor of the dungeon.
Since Facilis actually won the first immunity challenge, shouldn't his name be removed from the list?
Maybe I don't understand how this works, since I do not watch reality shows.
Scott From Oregon!
After Feynmaniac's summary...
Simon.
Simon. So crass and deranged. A sick individual.
Can we vote the double-post generating SB lag off of the island?
With Barb gone, locking Simon and his worthless viewpoints away from the sane and civilized would be my vote. Ahh, wish fulfillment!
Err... I'm kind of just a lurker, but that John Kwok guy really annoys the crap out of me.
Since Facilis actually won the first immunity challenge, shouldn't his name be removed from the list?
Maybe I don't understand how this works, since I do not watch reality shows.
Why the fuck are you here Jim? No one hijacked your browser and forced you to read. Start your own blog if you can do better or just continue pulling your pud to WingNutDaily. In your case wanking is a crime because you did it in public, but in your case by the size of things it's only a misdemeanor.
Kwok for the block!
Hmmmm unusual thread direction? I've got a good one:
Group sex etc.
How about a little love for those people who just want MORE! So what's the thoughts of the assorted Pharyngulites on the love between a man and a woman....and perhaps another woman or man or several of them. What about a woman and a woman and a woman and a....? What about a man and a man and a man and...you get the drift. Poly love in all its consensual participating adults.
So from polyamory we move to polymarriage. Why can't one woman marry two men, one man two women, or any combination up from that? Surely the lawyers will love such scenarios (the pre nup was surely invented for such contractual negotiations), and with suitable caveats, the people involved will love them too.
As for Shark week voting....I'm in two minds about the whole shebang and was from the start. However, since that didn't stop me voting vehemently for homophobe Barb, I can't really take a principled stand right now can I? I suppose therefore I'll have to either join in the feeding frenzy or ignore it and just go with the comedy. I think I'll plumb for the latter as this, to my mind, is getting unnecessarily ugly. An excuse to pursue vendettas and pettiness. Hence, as I cannot retract my vote for Barb, I'll admit to my hypocrisy, castigate myself for it and simply spoil my ballot paper with a series of knob jokes.
Cheers
Louis
Since Facilis actually won the first immunity challenge, shouldn't his name be removed from the list?
Maybe I don't understand how this works, since I do not watch reality shows.
Sans Simon!
With Barb gone, you gotta go with KWOK this time....
Uh, oh. Somebody is jealous they aren't in the running. Sorry Jim, maybe you'll get your chance next time.
John Kwok gets my vote for the next long walk off the short blog-pier.
Given Feynmaniac's helpful post (19), I vote for Simon.
Though Pete Rook's "I would never inflict oral sex on a woman" is pretty patethic, as well.
Still: I vote for Simon
Africangenesis - he's just so bloody tedious.
Africangenesis
I must confess that I usually don't read the threads that get really long because of the trolls and those who feed them (although I have been guilty myself of feeding those cerebrally deficient ogres), but of the trolls that I've encountered regularly enough (Facilis, Pete Rooke, & Africangenesis), AG is the worst that IMO.
Why the fuck are you here Jim? No one hijacked your browser and forced you to read. Start your own blog if you can do better or just continue pulling your pud to WingNutDaily. In your case wanking is a crime because you did it in public, but in your case by the size of things it's only a misdemeanor.
Concern troll is concerned.
voting for Simon. he's useless and frustrating and disgusting.
a few weeks ago it might have been tempting to remove AG, but after the incident with the River Main, in which he insisted it was spelled Mein, and then refused to accept that he fucked up and instead kept digging himself in deeper, he has become a fucking joke and easy to ignore.
oh, and Facilis winning the immunity challenge meant that he was immune from being booted the last round. new round, new immunity challenge. and I think it's fair that it's not a creationist one this time, since not all candidates are creationists. though "explain why the election of Obama will not lead to the end of the world" might have been a good one, too.
I vote Simon.
Barb is sure of the superiority of her faith, but Simon is sure of the superiority of his intellect.
Kwok sometimes has useful points to make, almost invariably in the 2nd or 3rd sentence. The rest I skip.
disclaimer: I'm a rather half-wittedhearted pharyngulite.
Methinks that Jim has some sort of connection to Barb.
Simon, with an instant-runoff vote for Africangenesis.
John Kwok-o-shit is more amusing than annoying, at least to me. Of course, I have no Facebook friends (because I have no Facebook account, and intend to keep it that way). Pete Rooke is obnoxious but occasionally enlightening, in the "poster child for retroactive birth control" kind of way. Silver Fox can go, but I find him/her/it easy to ignore.
goddammit. sorry for the double post, I don't comment on forms often.
Re: immunity challenges I believe are only good for one round. (My knowledge of Survivor comes from listening to others talk about it.)
No doubt he chivalrously inflicts it upon men in airport bathroom stalls, instead.
Sooo... get sensible. Go away.
John Kwok
I'm casting my vote based on which commenter is most likely to ruin the fun, not necessarily on who is the most "evil."
I vote John Kwok. If he is unaccountably able to fumble his way through the immunity challenge, my second pick is Pete Rooke. Simon and Facilis are just poe-strength stupid.
Feynmaniac @#19
I seem to miss all the greatest trolls and idiots to either laugh at, or fight the nausea at their unbelievable idiocy, so thanks for the rundown. And from said rundown, I would have to say Simon seems like a clear cut winner for me, since I absolutely hate the completely ignorant christians that always demonize the atheists into things they are not.
I have caught a bit of Facilis here and there. The condom comment earlier today was quite stupid.
John Kwok wouldn't be too bad if he'd just lose some of his narcissism. He actually knows a few things, and doesn't normally seem to delve into the unrealistic. He does however seem to have to bring up who he knows and how important he thinks he is far to often.
Pete Rook is just random, stupid, and in need of a mental health professional.
Other than that, I didn't really know any of the list. But the review of contestants was helpful to me.
Throw my vote in for Simon.
???:
Actually ??? my post applies to you too. -E.V.
(Things for ??? to do: Learn what a control troll is)
"Why the fuck are you here Jim?"
Good question. There's not a lot of value to be had from a blog that devotes so much of its energy to ridiculing people.
Bye-bye.
It's a tough choice between Simon and Africangenesis, and it would be fun to see John Kwok throw his temper tantrum over at Facebook, but I think I'll go with Africangenesis this time.
Also, when did you ban Barb? She was suspiciously absent from the Pope & condoms thread and the life doesn't begin at conception thread, and I'm wondering if it's because she was already banned when those came out.
Simon
Concern troll *sigh*
(Post ECT aphasia is a bummer)
Mmmm, lesbian bacon sex....
Although lesbian bacon hentai would be better...
Kwok's a bit wacky, but I have this strange fantasy of him and Javison in a fight to the death.
Simon
I'd go for John Kwok. I find his references to friends of note being far too close to a five your-old shreeking "My dad's bigger than your dad, and he has a spaceship !!". It's a bit weird from an adult.
Jim @#65
Stop talking about leaving, how it's the sensible thing to do, how PZ should be banned from his own blog, and other such inane nonsense and actually go the fuck away. Thanks.
I was going to use my second vote for John Kwok, but after reading through some of sImon's posts, I've decided to vote for him. He's creepy and scary. He needs to be sent to a nice warm padded cell, with no chance of ever being released.
Definitely simOn!
a series of knob jokes.
well? I'm waiting.
I vote for the kwokster.
reason?
Because he actually IS someone who fights against IDiots (I've seen him post on other sites for years), but he is such an immature bore that it would do him some minor good to consider indeed WHY people are wanting to see him tossed from here.
Simon.
@sdh Why are you posting the same comment so often?
Feynmaniac makes a cogent case. Simon it is!
Other than that, I echo Glen's point in #16, "Kwok really has tackled the IDiots on forums that we often don't see, which should count for something."
Simon.
Simon. Please.
Yes, please. One for me, and one for my wife, please. Does that come with drinks?
Oh, Pete Rooke(d), you are the weakest link. Goodbye.
I cast my vote for Simon.
Hmmm, Kwok is a misogynistic prick, but I do get a cheap thrill with his name dropping. I'm waiting for him to mention that he personally knows the invisible sky fairy. Rooke uses psychotic imagery to make his useless points, and is easily offended by foul language and that annoys the fuck out of me, but Silver Fox is just unrepentingly stupid and she reminds me of my holier than thou, skeletons rattling in her closet grandmother. I hated my grandmother. So, Silver Fox gets my vote off the island.
Many of the trolls provide a certain level of low humor. For example, I could never vote for the Rookie, as grotesque as his analogies are and for having a closed blog while at the same time demanding that PZ censure his blog. The reason is this, he makes me laugh.
My vote is for the person who is incapable of expressing a coherent thought, Simon.
Pete Rooke is running a strong second for me ("inflict" oral sex? You're doing it wrong, Petey), but I have to go with Simon. I assume Jim and ??? are bucking for inclusion in Season Two. The latter was so much more approachable back when he was frontman for the Mysterians and was content to only go by his first name...
sdh
for not being able to read instructions... at least 6 times.
Mmmm, lesbian bacon sex....
My next book:
"On Sex and Sexual Orientation in Bacon"
I predict the title alone will move it into amazon's top 100
I'd like to change my vote from Kwok to Simon. I've decided egotistical/narcissistic is much better than just plain disgusting.
Simon's comments nauseate me.
Continued profiles
John Kwok: (AKA the Facebook Menace, Abbie Smith's cyerberstalker) Lives perpetually in his prestigious high school. Cannot go 2 posts without mentioned it or the fact that someone is an alumni from it. Has unhealthy obsession with Abbie Smith. Threatened PZ with "losing some friends over at Facebook" if he gets banned and by doing so increased his chances of being banned. Even though he is anti-creationist he has such annoying personality that he has alienated any potential allies he could have had here.
Quote:
[Bold mine]
Piltdown Man: Has suggested that PZ had at one point in the past had been possessed by demons. Thinks using Latin terms makes his arguments less crappy (they don't). Wants to return to some sort of Catholic monarchy. Moniker comes from a fraudulent fossil formed from the skull of a medieval man, a chimp and an orangutan. Quite appropriate.
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I don't think we should ban Pete Rooke, per se. I just think he shouldn't be allowed to comment, particularly about sex, until he can prove that he got laid.
This is going on my wall, beside the TWO thread-wins I racked up on Day 2. You just know John's already dropping my name, elsewhere: "Heliobates? John was that Camarhynchus or Cactospinus? No way, I went to high school with him!"
Oh, BTW: Plonk Simon.
@sdh Why are you posting the same comment so often?
This thread is slowing down the posting...apparently sdh doesn't get it.
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Simon is disgusting. Obviously a closeted homophobe. Closeted or no, homophobes are despicable and Simon is just nasty about it.
Simon and Barb deserve each other. It would be so cool to toss them in a real dungeon together.
Simon
How does one choose between Pete and Simon?
I suppose I have to go with Pete. The analogies using rape etc, are just too creepy.
Facilis..is close because he actually supports his god killing children.
Choices!
Kwok's a bit wacky, but I have this strange fantasy of him and Javison in a fight to the death.
Kwirk vs. Johrn
Wait, what's wrong with bacon? ;)
Just a lurker here, but Simon gets my vote
Rooke is too funny to get rid of. I loved reading his posts on the last thread about sex in general. You can't make shit like that up. I haven't laughed so hard in a long time. Simon's just a douche with homosexual issues, and Kwok at least has a brain that works and the ability to write intelligible sentances.
Icthyic,
You're waiting for a series of knob jokes? Not a problem old son, not a problem.
An Englishman, Irishman and a Scotsman are sitting in a bar discussing how they pleasure their wives. The Englishman says "I like to pleasure my wife by using my fingers, and she lifts a foot off the bed in sheer ecstasy."
The Scotsman, with proper disdain, replies "Ach that's nothing! My wife is very fond of being pleasured with my tongue, in fact she rises a full two feet above the bed when I do this in gasping joy."
The Irishman, with a wry smile on his face laughs a soft knowing little laugh and says "Oh you boys are so far out of the running it isn't true. I have sex with the wife, cough my filthy yoghurt, wipe my dick on the curtains and she goes through the fucking roof!".
I will now proceed to fully deconstruct that joke for its sexist, nationalist, racist, jingoist and infantile themes...
{clears throat}
What do you mean "no thanks"?
Spoilsports.
Louis
P.S. I was out shopping the other day and I went into a shop and laid my cock on the counter. The young lady behind the counter calmly said "I think, sir, you have misread the sign above the door it says 'CLOCK repairs'."
I replied "Well you can put two hands on that then!".
P.P.S. Notice I never said they were going to be GOOD jokes, in fact as an alternative to the formerly proposed "derail topic" how about a Pharyngula Joke-a-Thon. Everyone tell a joke, dirty or otherwise.
Simon.
Assuming Feynmaniac's recap is accurate, Simon seems a shoo-in to me.
PZ, I've just perused your 'dungeon' for the first time (that sounds bad) and I noticed that you've linked to many of your miscreant's blogs...from a Page Rank 5 page?! What are you doing to the internets?!
Voting for Kwok because I got sick of reading "mendacious intellectual pornography" repeated ad nauseum.
Think I'm going to vote for Silver Fox, as hes been irritating me for some time now.
Simon.
Bad grammar, gross and totally unfunny.
Simon.
Facilis was my number two last time and stays there, strengthened by his comment about the use of condoms and the pope.
If you are going to ship each of these people off to the dungeon in rapid order, why not just ship them all off all at once?
If others find this way more fun, then I can't argue.
Simon should go.
It appears that my occasional fucking of html tags continues apace. I am a dirty dirty boy and deserve to be spanked. Next, TYPO the Gdo of clerical errors will smite me some more. I promise I shan't enjoy it.
Icthyic: Food and shagging was the last thread's divertissment I still reckong mucky jokes and shagging and shagging should be this one's. Mind you I am in a minority of one 'twould seem? Us shagging shaggers are an oppressed minority dontcherknow. Mind you, I'd buy a copy of that book you're planning....
Louis
I vote for Silver Fox
AG blows out the most meaningless hot air ever, so I just skip over his vapid mush. Did toy for voting for him, but do not want to waste a vote for SILVER FOX who is ridiculously dense, oppressively patronizing, and deeply clueless.
Sophist Simon.
I'm renewing my vote for Pete Rooke. :P
What? I stand by my choice!
Sorry, I wasn't very clear. Facilis has moved to number one now that Barb is gone.
Facilis should stay, despite being an ass, since he did win immunity. Get rid of Simon.
John Kwok. Bye bye.
He seems to be one of those freakish right-wingers who accepts evolution but loves himself religion and conservative bs. Why he comes here I dunno, other than he's infatuated with his bestest friend everrrrr Ken Miller.
Simon, definitely. Hope he doesn't get immunity.
Simon again.
@58: Nice!
I'm going to vote for Facilis, for this: http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2009/03/the_pope_is_an_evil_quack.ph…
For my next vote: Facilis
Not on the list, but JIM needs to go to Dungeon too for:
Posted by: Jim | March 18, 2009 2:47 PM
I vote to evict PZ Myers. His crimes? Insipidity, stupidity, and wanking.
I vote for Silver Fox
AG blows out the most meaningless hot air ever, but I just skip over his vapid mush. Did toy for voting for him, but do not want to waste a vote for SILVER FOX who is ridiculously dense, oppressively patronizing, and deeply clueless.
Ichthyic @85
"My next book:
"On Sex and Sexual Orientation in Bacon"
I predict the title alone will move it into amazon's top 100"
Hopefully John Kwok doesn't get to review it.
Simon.
The Scottish Farmer:
The pilot of an aerobatic biplane landed in the recently mown field of a Scottish farmer to make a few adjustments to his engine. While he was tinkering with his machine, he noticed a Scotsman and his wife watching with a great deal of curiosity. The Scotsman asked the pilot how much he would charge to give both he and his wife a ride.
'Well', said the pilot, 'Normally I charge $50 dollars each, but if you are both completely quiet throughout the flight, the ride will be free of charge. If I hear the least amount of noise, you will owe the full fare.'
The couple quickly climbed aboard, and the pilot taxied and took off. Immediately, he proceeded to put his plane through all of its paces: barrel rolls, stalls, spins, split S maneuvers, you name it and he did it. The couple in back were completely silent throughout the thirty minute flight.
Upon landing, the pilot said, 'I really have to hand it to you for keeping quiet through all that!'
'Aye', said the Scotsman, 'but I'll admit, ye almost heard me when the wife fell out.'
I also vote for Facilis for his comment in the Pope/condoms thread. Idiot.
Pete Rooke
Africangenesis, because he is no fun at all.
But John Kwok makes the second place in the modesty competition.
Simon.
Kwok can be amusing.
ice
Write in: Scott from Oregon. He doesn't show up much, but fuck is he obnoxious when he does.
Despite Facilis's strong resume, and despite the surprisingly nauseating backspin of his overhand serve on today's PopeQuack thread, I must cast my vote to plonk the vapidly disgusting:
Simon
I vote for Simon. I don't post much but holy fucking christmas jew is he annoying. I would also guess an upstanding christian along the lines of Ted Haggard.
You have to wonder about a guy who encourages people to talk about how evil they think others are.
If there were a vote for biggest Scienceblogs Jackass, PZ would win, hands down, then brag about it, and all his minions would say they're Jackasses too.
Sycophants rule!
I guess the Scienceblog editors keep him around for the same reason that TV and radio shows let Ann Coulter spew all over the airwaves: Love him or hate him, he brings traffic to the site. And traffic means more advertising dollars. PZ Meyers - The Rush Limbaugh of Scienceblogs.
You win!
Africangenesis
Simon
Feynmaniac,
As long as you are being so industrious, and I am still trying to catch up after missing most of the comments from February, you mind doing a “greatest hits” (or misses, as the case may be) for Africangenesis and SF. They stick out in my mind, but for reasons that are a bit hazy at the moment.
P.S. After all of the bacon talk, would it offend our tentacled overlords to get some shrimp recipes? Maybe we could ease into it with some bacon wrapped shrimp?
My vote for this round has to go to.. Simon.
Jesus, Jim. Careful you don't accidentally knock that industrial-sized drum of screaming fucking moron on yourself.
Fuckin-A, man!! Fuckin-A!!
Can we offer up a learning experience for the immunity challenges from now on? Say, have the trolls go out and get a real science magazine and summarize a specific article in it on how it impacts a scientific topic?
I'm big on learning more than BSing.
So hard to choose...but I'm going with Simon in hopes of reading no more of what looks like barely controlled Tourette's driven by the confused sexuality of an underachieving adolescent. (Methinks he doth protest teh gay too much.) Not funny, just sad and disgusting.
Silver Fox.
Trolls are by turn entertaining, frustrating, stupid, exasperating, unintentionally funny, and dense. But none of them roused in me the drgree of antipathy that Barb did. She was hands down, easy to ban for her sheer evilness. This decision is harder. I find it pretty easy to ignore a troll I don't care for since his/her name is at the top of the post so I can't really get worked up about most of them. But Simon does give me the creeps, so this time, I vote for Simon.
I think one round was enough, frankly.
I'm voting Simon mostly because I don't want to see any of the others go.
This is the joke that seems to go over the best when I tell it... apologies if "it ain't the way you heard it"...
Anyway, Carlos, the leader of the street gang, calls young De'Von, one of the gangsters, over to meet him at a deserted warehouse down on the wrong side of town. When De'Von gets to the meeting place, Carlos tells him, "Yo, De'Von, I been watchin' you and you're tough. Think you're all that? Well, I got a job for you. I want you to be my lieutenant. But in order to prove you've got what it takes, you have to do three things for me."
De'von nods.
"Chillin'. Well behind this first door there's a huge bottle of Everclear. I want you to drink the whole bottle without stopping for breath, and you have to hold it all down for ten minutes, to show you're real cool. Then you come back out here and I'll take you to the second room. In there, there's a pack of hungry street dogs and I want you to fight them and make them obey you to prove you're a real leader. Then come back out here and I'll take you to a room where I got something you'll like, my man. I got a beautiful chica in bed in that third room, and I want you to fuck her brains out to prove you're a real man. OK? Go!"
So De'Von runs into the first room and Carlos shuts the door and smiles as he hears the steady "glug-glug-glug" sound without a single pause.
After the ten minutes are up, De'Von opens the door and comes staggering out. Carlos shows him to another room and closes the door behind him.
From behind the closed door, Carlos can hear wild barks and growls and human cries and screams. The noise and commotion go on for at least an hour, and Carlos is beginning to get concerned.
Finally the room falls silent. De'Von opens the door, leans against the door frame, and gasps out, "Damn, you are one serious mofo, Carlos. I can't believe I made it through that shit. Now... where's that girl I gotta fight?"
Ba-dum-bump...
Why not first perform a shotgun marriage between Kwok and Simon, then boot the happy (?) couple?
Facilis the twit.
1 vote from me to kick out simon.
1 vote from me for more discussion of oral sex and lesbians! (reading that thread was way more fun than I should be allowed to have at work)
However, as I don't like bacon (I know! Blasphemy! Sorry.), can I have ice cream instead?
#42,
My wife and I are planning to marry a third this summer. She is a woman that we both love and we all feel the best thing would be a plural marriage.
Strangly enough, both women are Christian and I am an atheist.
Yeah, it might blot out the Industrial Stupid Concentrate stain all down the front of him.
Pete Rooke
This round is tough for me. Two of my least favorites are competing with each other: Piltdown Man and Simon.
In spite of Killfile, I still groan every time I see that Piltdown Man has posted. It's like driving past an accident and trying NOT to look. But Simon is incoherent in his scatological obsession and the repulsiveness just really gets to me.
I vote again for Simon. But Pilty is my runner-up.
With that, I wish you all a good night. I'll try to catch back up again tomorrow.
Kill them all, let God sort them out.
Or, Simon.
I'm slightly worried though - what if we banned all the trolls - what would we do then? Even my new-found interests in science lesbians would likely pall. And the supply of arrogant, religiously inclined nutcases on the internet can only be finite - surely?
She is a woman that we both love and we all feel the best thing would be a plural marriage.
Congratulations, Ben, that's awesome. Keep that eye on what's good and right about your marriage, and about what makes the three of you happy, and you'll be well defended against people who can't see past the potential problems. They're no better than those old ladies who greet the news of a new pregnancy with all the things they think could go wrong. Much happiness to you all!
I seriously considered voting for Simon this time. His homoerotic fantasies are disturbing.
My vote this time is for John Kwok. On the Panda's Thumb thread tomh linked to yesterday, I found this classic bit of treason:
Unless Kwok can successfully bullshit around his hatred for the rule of law (extra credit if he does it without once mentioning his high school) I will continue to vote to throw his dumb ass off this blog.
I must cast for my vote for the one from the list who first annoyed their way into my consciousness. And I've been busy lately, so am not as familiar with some as I would be normally. So my vote goes to the one who's been annoying for what seems like years now, with essentially no change -- Africangenesis.
And my vote goes to..... SIMON
Kwok
I still say the next immunity challenge should be for them to decide among themselves unanimously.
Actually. Annoying as they are, I don't think I need to see the herd culled more at the moment. But I'm getting very irregular here, so ...
I vote for SIMON
kamaka beat me to this above, but I get a delightful picture in my head of a dungeon wall with Barb and Simon attached to it with ankle and leg irons... and they're blabbing on infuriating each other to no end... but we can't hear it... Ah.
Actually ??? my post applies to you too. -E.V.
Concern troll is still concerned.
(Things for ??? to do: Learn what a control troll is)
Controll troll = ev
Simple Simon!
I vote for concern / control troll EV.
Kwok. The name-dropping is pathetic & annoying.
I'm fairly new here and am not familiar with all of these people so my vote isn't fully informed. I was leaning towards Africangenisis as a prime specimen of stupidity, but then the pope post turned me in favor of Facilis.
I have read comments from both and either is worthy of being dungeoned. At this time however I am voting for John Kwok. Making threats is stupid. Making ridiculous little threats involving friends on Facebook is more stupid. I say vote him off the island just for being a little bitch.
I think I'll change my vote from simon to AfricanGenesis, if for nothing else than to stop him complaining about AGW at the same time as saying "I'm just looking at the science"
Still de-lurking for John Kwok. I'm telling you guys, you may think he is an insufferable narcissist now, but if he isn't booted . . .
Since Barb is gone, my close second will have to shift to Facilis. He reminds me of a thick-headed git on a photography site I frequent that thought he was the paragon of logic and reasoning, while being completely immune to same.
Thanks Speedwell. This is not something we are rushing into. The three of us have known each other for years and we are all old enough to know the difference between lust and love.
Kwok. The name-dropping is pathetic & annoying.
I believe that if selected for banning I should be allowed to mount a defence/appeal and call some character witnesses to protest on my behalf. If you would like to act as a character witness for me, in the hopefully unlikely event of my banning (an event that draws ever nearer the longer this game continues), please let me know!
Simian
er...
Samoan
dammit
it is like trying to grab a watermellon seed....
S
I
M
O
N
THERE! Gotcha, ya little bastid....
JC
I'm fairly new here and am not familiar with all of these people so my vote isn't fully informed. I was leaning towards Africangenisis as a prime specimen of stupidity, but then the pope post turned me in favor of Facilis.
I have read comments from both and either is worthy of being dungeoned. At this time however I am voting for John Kwok. Making threats is stupid. Making ridiculous little threats involving friends on Facebook is more stupid. I say vote him off the island just for being a little bitch.
Pete, the best thing you can do is to disappear for a couple of days. Out of threads, out of mind. Something Kwok can't figure out. Can you?
John Kwok
Unless he somehow wins the immunity challenge.
Curb the Kwok!
Rooke seems to be making a funny up above me here, so I say he stays at least for another round.
Simon
Oh goody! A chance to toss Silver Fox to the sharks.
Silver Fox's immunity challenge has to be explaining, cogently and succinctly, why assertion is not evidence.
I know--it's a no-win for him, but it's the least he deserves.
Facilis.
I am a sporting chap, and I'd like to force him to win yet another immunity challenge to survive. His comment on the Pope thread was deadly stupid as well.
Pete Rooke. You could at least try to win immunity. It's your best chance.
It's neck and neck between Kwok and Simon though.
Since Kwok is famous for the phrase describing the Disco Tute, "mendacious intellectual pornographers" which really rolls off the tongue ...
... my official vote goes to a Genuine idiot, the kind who gives morons a bad name ...
Silver Fox
Damn! I guess I'm not around as much anymore. The only contestant that I recognize is Piltdown Man. For those unfamiliar, he seems to be some kind of ultra right wing "the current Pope is a scandalously liberal abomination", Society of St. Pius X type Catlikker. You can meet him in this thread if you felt so inclined.
I am quite torn over this guy. It would probably be a good thing not to have a whiny (on Catholic "Persecution"), ultra right wing nutjob incapable of making an argument not involving special pleading around. On the other hand the idea of a Catholic who wants to castrate popes carries a certain morbid interest.
on the whole I believe I shall abstain from voting this round.
Simon, although the more I read his stuff the more I wonder if he's real.
??? - being a bit of a psychic, I'm sensing narcisstic anger, absent sex-life and....you've just lost your job, correct? Do you see how the first, causes the second two, which in turn leads back to the first?
Yes, it's all a big circle, like your blow-up friend's mouth.
That'll be $100.
Thanks Speedwell. This is not something we are rushing into. The three of us have known each other for years and we are all old enough to know the difference between lust and love.
how do you deal with intimacy in a 3 way relationship?
I'm genuinely curious.
Yay for round 2! How many more will we have? Will this be a last-troll-standing competition?
My vote for this round goes to Simon, nothing at all good comes from his posts. He's a nutter, and he has terrible communication skills too! The posts of his that aren't copied and pasted from elsewhere are just about unreadable (and could possibly be improved by being completely unreadable because they are such rubbish).
Simon.
Kwok's facebook threat was just hilarious. I think Facilis is actually trying to get banned.
Rooke is creepy and dishonest, but at least represents something. Simon is just . . . ugly.
The interesting thing about this immunity challenge is that responders can't cheat off each other. I still think it's a bit weak, though. And frankly, if one of them said they weren't planning to do anything to change I'd have to give them full credit for honesty.
Rooke(d), we have the ultimate character witness. You. Your past posts are all preserved for everyone to peruse. It is too late to attempt justification. It is not, however, too late to change your behavior.
Start thinking *before* you post crap like "I would never inflict oral sex on a woman".
I'm not changing my vote. This pathetic whiner needs to be exiled for a while, perchance he will learn how to think.
Rooke(d)
Simon. While the others may be vacuous, they at least seem to be trying to make some point. It would seem that Simon's only goal is to write about his sexual fantasies (by projecting them onto others) in a venue where none of his pious friends will ever see them. It's not funny, and doesn't contribute to any sort of conversation.
Could we just ban anyone who trolls the voting threads? Because...damn.
Simon
He's totally useless. None of the other contestants are even close, in my opinion.
??? - being a bit of a psychic, I'm sensing narcisstic anger, absent sex-life and....you've just lost your job, correct? Do you see how the first, causes the second two, which in turn leads back to the first?
No, no and no. 0 for 3 so far.
Yes, it's all a big circle, like your blow-up friend's mouth.
Project much?
Simon
Pete Rooke
One more post, then disappear if you are smart.
If you lose, no appeals. After all, how many appeals do you give at your blog? (I really don't know, never visited.)
"I believe that if selected for banning I should be allowed to mount a defence/appeal and call some character witnesses to protest on my behalf. If you would like to act as a character witness for me, in the hopefully unlikely event of my banning (an event that draws ever nearer the longer this game continues), please let me know! "
So do you just like it here? Why not try the challenge, or just make a plea stating why you want to stick around.
That being said: my vote goes to Simon. He's a good old fashioned internet troll, and it's hard to even imagine another person on the backend of that spew.
Axe Simon!
I believe that if selected for banning I should be allowed to mount a defence/appeal and call some character witnesses to protest on my behalf
It's not your blog. You don't get to make the rules.
You have the immunity requirement to meet if you want to stick around. That, or hope that someone is crazier/dumber than you.
I know it's a tough thing to decide between the likes of John Kwok, Silver Fox, AG, Simon and you, but you never know--you might get to stay. If you're really lucky, an even more disgusting and braindead troll will come along and keep you from getting tossed to the sharks.
So meet the condition laid before you, or fuck off.
@116 - you may have presented that as a joke, but I know of at least one person where - well - not TWO passengers, only one - that really happened!
Not going to tell the whole story, but suffice it to say, it was the pilot's birthday, tandem biplane with new aerobatic student in the back.
Upon aircraft auto-recovery from an aileron roll, and trainer's attempts to talk to the student, pilot turns around - and finds an empty seat.
Punch line: The "student" was a skydiver and bailed at the top of the roll. Happy Birthday! :-)
JC
I'm not voting because if I couldn't get myself banned, then nobody else should get banned either. *pouts*
As previously stated, most of those on the list are in my personal killfile anyway and don't generally bother me directly. I'd have to vote based on whose comments bother me most when others quote them. That would have to be the odious and useless simon (capitalization varies, evidently purposefully to evade the killfile).
So OK, I vote to banninate simon.
Kwok is a special case. The "Lockheart" tag is very apt. Again, IANAΨ, but the diagnoses of others (Asperger's, narcissism, or most likely a toxic combination of the two) seem accurate to me. (Exhibit A: he almost never uses the word "me," preferring either "myself" or "yours truly.")
The guy is indeed a tireless foe of creationism, especially over on Amazon, but perhaps a little too tireless. The same kind of obsessive completism that causes him, after seeing a movie, to review not just the movie but also (separately) the score and soundtrack of the movie, for every movie, also causes him to review--at great length, and never failing to repeat the mantra "mendacious intellectual pornography"--every...single...freakin...book on creationism, ID and evolution, whether or not he has read the damn book. It goes beyond tireless to not mentally healthy (IMO). He believes deeply (and, I'm sure unconsciously) that his opinion about whatever is as important to everyone else as it is to him.
Then there's the whole obsession with Abbie Smith thing; he has described his banning from erv as a "long-distance lovers' quarrel" and as "losing the love of his life" and he brings her name up at every opportunity, appropriate or not. Very creepy in a fantasy-addled-stalker kind of way, as many have pointed out.
As for the incessant Stuy-High and Brown U referencing and the ridiculous compulsive dropping of names of friends, classmates, teachers, and fellow alumni, my feelings have moved rather quickly from amusement to amazement to pity. It seems clear that Kwok's self-worth is inextricably tied up with these associations and that he is incapable of realizing that nobody else is impressed. It's best read as inadvertant self-parody, I think. He also shows signs of confusing Facebook and Amazon "friends" with real friends.
I just don't want to make fun of the guy anymore (especially since I explicitly promised not to*. It's not fun--he is completely humorless and oblivious to irony. And I guess I don't think he deserves banning just for being ineluctably insufferable. I believe he can't help it--and I predict that he's psychologically incapable of rising to PZ's new immunity challenge. Instead he'll get defensive. Even this long, direct analysis (which I would be mortified to read about myself, or even my internet "self") will not make a dent.
So now I've said everything I have to say about the fascinating J*hn Kw*k (oops, except for: why the hell does he caps-lock GOD?) and will forever shut up about the poor guy.
*That thread, beginning at #83 and snowballing from there, is the best single example of the Kwok MO I have seen. Even after PZ intervened repeatedly and I fled the field in boredom, he just kept going.
Oh, please, do it now. I'm almost feeling guilty about how much I'm enjoying these threads*, but I'll admit I'd find that most entertaining.
Actually, why don't you just respond to the immunity challenge?
*(though I wish the insults could be had with no traces of sexism/misogyny)
Rooke,
Your best bet now is to take a shot at the immunity challenge. If no one else does you will win by default.
While I have probably been one of your harshest critics here (even though I didn't make the gruesome trio!) I have given you credit when I thought you deserved it . Your recent good behavior and lack of analogies makes me you think you don't merit a banning. Just keep in mind this isn't your blog.
Could we just ban anyone who trolls the voting threads? Because...damn.
Okay, you're banned.
Simon!
Hmm... Again, as a long-time lurker, I don't have much knowledge about the trolls of this place. Though I followed the links to some of Peter Rooke's 'commentary' on Titanaboa and had an encounter with Kwok, I haven't found either of them particularly annoying.
Thus, I was going to vote for Simon, but then I remembered Kwok's bizarre name-dropping habits. And seeing as, from my limited knowledge, Simon has disappeared on his own...
My vote's for John Kwok.
I'm looking forward to seeing if any of them attempt to pass the immunity challenge. It would be interesting to see how aware these people are of their own behaviour. Either way it'll make for a laugh.
Simon.
Because (ctrl-C)+(ctrl-V)!= thinking.
Africangenesis.
By the way... do you know why Simon stinks so bad?
So blind people can hate him too.
John Kwok
He needs to learn to control his tourette-like outbursts of name-dropping. It is sad seeing how out of control he is with respect to that. He needs help.
I haven't dealt much with africangenesis, so I can't really in good conscience vote for him, but perhaps next round if he pulls a Kwok and shows up to show everyone exactly why he was nominated.
Piltdown Man and Silver Fox are annoying, but I can handle their annoyances more than a name-dropping, mentally ill, internet stalking bore who might as well be stuck in high school given his value for acquaintances.
As for the rest, Pete Rooke seems to be growing slowly and can be fun to watch, Simon is just incoherent and Facilis just makes me roll my eyes.
I was all ready to cast my vote for Simon, but Rooke's "I would never inflict oral sex on a woman" quote just irks the hell out of me. (Although he is most likely saving a woman or two from utter disappointment, and himself from embarassment.)
Gotta vote Rooke.
Simple Simon for verbal slime and
homophobic fare...
Says Simple Simon "Penies and 'ginas
are the only correct pair.
But the line on Simple Simon
is totally clear to any,
Simple Simon wants a fine man
to fellate his own eeny-meeny.
I'm sticking with Rooke, because of his persistence.
You're not one second closer to my salvation, Rooke. And you helped.
John Kwok, on mine honour.
My vote for this session is that total knob Simon.
Unlike the others that occasionaly throw in a howler that we can all snigger at (Peter Rooke's "never inflict oral sex on a woman" comment let's face it, pretty funny. I wouldn't let that little dweeb near my vagina if he was the last tongue on Earth.) or, in Facilis' case, get just plain antsy which allows us to poke it with a stick for a while for kicks... well Simon is just plain bloody weird and no amusement value at all.
I know Barb was the #1 choice, but I was mostly absent during the Barb-storm so I'm sticking with my main demented fuck-wit: Pete Rooke
Don't you just know that this started life as a really nasty racist joke? And don't you just have a teeny weeny suspicion that AG told it when it was?
I never could figure out which way Pete's infliction was supposed to be going. I guess either way is a "sin". But there's a big difference between a sin and something unpleasant, so why the assumption that the woman would find it unpleasant? Later on he said something about people engaging in oral sex commiting a sin similar to condom use. The only sad thing that says to me is that if ever a girl did go down on him she would "fall from grace" in his eyes. Damn, can't win for losing!
Besides I think maybe he's... confused. I think I'm enabling now though, so I better shut it.
No need to ban Africangenesis. We at the International Central Committee of the Left Anarchists have our own plans for him - far worse than anything you squiddy-bourgeois can dream up...
It diconcerting that someone who is an atheist and scientifically literate doesn't agree with you on every point and dares to question your assumptions. I disagree without demonizing, so it is embarrassing to have your own boorish behavior put to shame. I show that there is an intellectual defense to conservatism and libertarianism that is not easy to dismiss. It is uncomfortable to be shown the weak and ignorant ad hominem namecalling of your leaders that has been passing as cleverness. It is frightening to be shown that those you admired and thought knowledgable are actually ignorant. There are those that called me arrogant, because they were used to receiving unquestioning agreement and admiration and were embarrassed to be shown to be wrong or intellectually clueless. Internicene wars are often the most viscious. The far left progressives like being thought the most irreverent and challenging. They don't like being shown shallow, destructive and vindictive by someone more nihilistic and yet more comfortable in his own skin than they are.
I come here to explore the implications of human evolution for society and morality, full of wonder and curiosity and willingness to learn. Is this a good place to do that?
Simon, on the basis of the insult to PZ & Trophy Wife in the anniversary thread. I was thinking Kwok, more for his creepy Abby-stalking than the birther & name-dropping shit, but nasty personal insults to our host's wife sealed it for Simon.
Personally, I think him and the rest of the gun-toting, quasi-survivalist libertarian crowd should be up there too. But he's not on the list.
Though he should be.
I'm fairly new here and am not familiar with all of these people so my vote isn't fully informed. I was leaning towards Africangenisis as a prime specimen of stupidity, but then the pope post turned me in favor of Facilis.
I have read comments from both and either is worthy of being dungeoned. At this time however I am voting for John Kwok. Making threats is stupid. Making ridiculous little threats involving friends on Facebook is more stupid. I say vote him off the island just for being a little bitch.
Simon
#209 gets my vote.
I'm fairly new here and am not familiar with all of these people so my vote isn't fully informed. I was leaning towards Africangenisis as a prime specimen of stupidity, but then the pope post turned me in favor of Facilis.
I have read comments from both and either is worthy of being dungeoned. At this time however I am voting for John Kwok. Making threats is stupid. Making ridiculous little threats involving friends on Facebook is more stupid. I say vote him off the island just for being a little bitch.
AG. It's your numbskulled libertarianism that irks people... it gets really boring and repetitive. If you left those rants for other blogs you would get less votes off the island.
Also your silly AGW denialism gets really boring too.
I won't vote you off yet.
Show us that you understand WHY you're on the list.
BTW -??? is probably Scott from O's sockpuppet.
Simon.
At first I was going to vote for Silver Fox, but when I think about it, Simon's homophobia, bizarre fixations and utter lack of anything resembling thought make the choice obvious.
I also vote that post #160 counts as Pete's attempt at the immunity challenge. No do-overs.
No fucking way!
Seriously...you do realise you're supposed to be defending yourself, don't you?
Or have you been taking lessons from Kwok?
Fuck a duck, AG... are you serious?
Now that you've told him...
Kwok, without a doubt. I'm disappointed in the boy, too. That marvelous sprint from behind to catch up, and then he fails at the finish.
Sad, really. He just kwoked up.
...
FAIL!
(I don't actually think he should be banned. I do think he's nuts.)
Silver Fox. While less noxious than Simon and Facilis, his idiocy pervasive and tedious enough to nearly ruin whatever thread he decides to taint.
AfricanGenesis.
Although it is funny to watch him/her/it try to look smart - by misspelling big words.
Okay, I get the picture. A bit of sport like at a shooting gallery at the carnival. Not bad, as long as we get to take them all out eventually. (No problem there either, for we can expect replacements to pop up anytime).
Right now I've got my bead on Simon, but Kwok is right next to him.
E.V. #26 has a pretty good exclamation point there. When's Scott From Oregon going to pop up in this gallery?
Haha. Chances are he still doesn't get it.
He already has as "???".
I apologize to all for name-dropping, and for mentioning my high school alma mater (which, on second thought should be mentioned since its current principal has banned the teaching of ID creationist there.).
EV, what makes you think so?
I think the above post is a Kwoe
simOn!
Top 5 reasons to ban Simon:
5) His homoeroticism and abortion porn are creepy.
4) He's fucking illiterate.
3) He can't even type his own damn name.
2) He's not amusing.
And reason #1 to ban Simon:
1) Evil trumps annoying every time.
p.s. Pete Rooke: I'll speak up for you; I think you've got potential, son. Just lose the book-binding fetish. And, damn, do a little research about sex. Experiment to find out if women LIKE having oral sex "inflicted" on them. You obviously don't have enough data. I think (pardon the profanity, now, it's a little double entendre) you're just fucking clueless and should avoid the subject until you have some real-world experience.
Steve_C #227: I beg your pardon?
I am all for mom and apple pie, not to mention "oral sex, lesbians, and bacon". Hmmm, lesbian oral sex on a bed of baco...err excuse me, be right back.
OK, where was I? Oh yes - I find Africangenesis, Facilis, Piltdown Man, and Simon easy to killfile and to ignore their mention by other posters. Like Walton, I still think there may be a spark in Petie Rooke, so willing to have him hang on a bit (Petie, I am in the UK for a while, want to meet for an orange squash? Walton never responded to this offer - I really don't kill on first acquaintance).
So my vote is for tossing KWOK, JOHN, famous celebrity with delusions of adequacy, into the memory hole.
Ciao y'all
Natalie:
The styles are similar and the juvenile attitude of ??? matches Scott when he's pissy/bitchy. ??? may not be Scott but both could vanish and the world would be a better smarter place.
I'm a lesbian... eating bacon... any offers for the oral sex? ;)
And my vote goes to Simon. I have nothing to say that hasn't already been said.
Pete, if you can answer the immunity challenge, you can buy your safety. Show that you can accept that your moral imperatives about how people should conduct their private lives are not universal. Just because you believe something is wrong, doesn't mean that it applies to everyone. It only applies to you.
I'm not willing to ban you, because I still think you can learn something. You seem to be young and strong principled, but misguided. You see, I used to be you, and lately I've been missing me, so I asked Hathaway if I could room with me, and he said "sure." Sorry, I seem to have gotten off track.
I was once young and Catholic. I believed that I was right and everyone else was evil. I grew up. I can now accept that people are different, and what is right for me is not the only way to live. I'm straight, married, two kids. I also support same-sex marriage. It does nothing to hurt me, and I believe it will help strengthen the community. Why would I want to get in the way of any two (or three, or ...) people who love each other enough to actually spend the rest of their lives together. It's not about sex. It is about relationships. The sooner you can learn that, the happier we will all be.
It is up to you. We can't be character witnesses, because all we know if you is what you write here. Show us you can grow, and you will be allowed to stay.
John Kwok, to avoid switching jockeys in midstream.
I think one of these trolls might be the one who likened a single comment of mine to "an inquisition", but I don't recall which one that was.
Oooh, group sex.
There was a typo, so am reposting this:
I apologize to all for name-dropping, and for mentioning my high school alma mater (which, on second thought should be mentioned since its current principal has banned the teaching of ID creationism there.).
@ Ben #140:
All the best to you are the two ladies you will share your life with. I think polymarriage/polyamory is a GOOD idea, and I'm deadly serious. If it works for you, it works. All partners must go in with eyes wide open and the minimum quantity of bullshit. I echo the comments of Speedwell @ #145.
@ Icthyic #174
Dude, count me in as curious too. I've never gone as far as full blown poly marriage. The lifestyle we have suits thus far. Perhaps that should be the Lifestyle.
Louis
Simon.
Astro. I was speaking to Kel. He thinks I set up AG for immunity.
The Immunity Challenge
Much of the rancour generated on Pharyngula is not too dissimilar to other sites on which people from diametrically opposite points of view come into contact. Typically the issues are controversial and the case for/against is made with a vehemence that encourages assent and discourages dissent with the blogger (in this case PZ Myers).
The views may make perfect sense in the context of the site and its nature but the internet is not clearly demarcated and there are no clear boundaries that have been established. Conflict is inevitable. Creationists come into contact with advocates for Scientism and the result is a situation in which neither side is willing to accept even the most reasonable set of premises that their opponent sets out lest they make a logical leap in their next move that is unwarranted or disliked. The thinking goes:
"Don't let them get a foot in the door and they will be powerless to dispute your beliefs".
Beliefs are tremendously important to people. One does not simply choose to pick up or discard a belief. The protagonist in JM Coetzee's most recent book writes:
"I should thoroughly revise my opinions, that is what I should do. I should cull the older, more decrepit ones, find newer, up-to-date ones to replace them. But where does one go to find up-to-date opinions...Can one buy fresh opinions in the marketplace?"
Beliefs are with us until a momentous shift occurs. The beliefs I am talking about are not trivial choices but that which shapes our entire world-view. We are inclined to dismiss evidence which does not cohere to this world-view (that determines our outlook on life) and, whatever pretence we put up, it is ultimately impossible to achieve a state of perfect rationality (nor is it necessarily desirable; we are humans and not robots after all). The mythical view from nowhere remains ever elusive.
A second issue that leads to conflict is the anonymity of commenters (even the blogger may remain anonymous) and this leads to a general decline in basic civility. Why be reasonable when you are conversing with someone you don't know personally and who you may never come into contact with again? The partner in the "conversation" (and often it would be generous to call it that) lacks any corporal-sensual presence. Eye contact, gestures and body posture, or the rhythm and sound of the voice are forsaken. Imagine the bond with another person who is facing you, watching you and communicating with you. Sartre perhaps overstates the case but one certainly does feel as if they are, in some small way, experiencing the other's consciousness.
In the light of even a stranger's gaze the propensity to be cruel is greatly diminished. That is not necessarily to dispute the grounds for conflict which occur when I post but the context does make it far more likely.
Pete for sure. He's sick at best.
natural cynic & Sastra:
I AGREE! This way we are going to burn through contestants too fast. And I don't think it's necessary to have a goal of banning someone on every round.
@209: Orwell is your friend.
I vote for Facilis. Maybe he'll come through on the immunity challenge again, since he did so well the first time. Hold his feet to the flames!
Silver Fox.
So much text with so much nonsence.
In descending order: Simon, Facilis, Kwok, Silver Fox, Piltdown, AG. And a promise from Pete to get some long-term psychological counselling from a non-Catholic therapist.
"...write a short comment, 200 words or less, that reveals that they actually understand why their attitudes and pattern of expression have so exasperated readers here..."
Comedy gold.
simon
Voting for Kwok and nominating Scott from Oregon.
Hehe. Awww no. Pete FAILED.
Funny. It's all just a misunderstanding. phhhht.
And Pete is disqualified @ #243 for more than doubling the designated word count! Thanks for playing!
I lurk here every day, though I seldom post, and don't always make it to the end of the comment threads. But if anyone wants my opinion. here it is:
Some of the nominees, I don't know, so can't comment.
Pete Rooke is a well-recognized stain on the Internet, but he's so utterly, earnestly clueless that he's almost a perfect straight man. His now classic "I would never inflict oral sex on a woman" is priceless, not just for being a platinum-cast example of missing the point, but for the inherent sexism that the only understanding he had of oral sex was woman-giving-man.
There's you're character witness, Pete. It would be a shame to lose the hilarious contribution of such a born gimp. Pete, you hate yourself far more than we ever could, and I'd enjoy watching it develop.
John Kwok, on the other hand, seems to be the sort of person whose mental image comes equipped with a field marshal's uniform, encrusted with gold leaf and tailored to a body six inches taller and fifty pounds lighter than his. His world revolves around him, the rest of us mere underlings who inexplicably fail to be loyal. The George McClellan of the group, he ko doubt tells people of his close personal friendship with PZ, who went to his high school.
I was unfamiliar with Africangenesis until I saw his post above. Clearly a misunderstood scholar, peeved and saddened that we fail to appreciate the favor of his illuminated wisdom. Coversation with such a person is like arguing with a billboard.
Facilis is simply stupid. But he does make a good negative example of the dangers of religion. Apparently, unused brain cells atrophy.
Silverfox, now...that one is a waste of space. Like a brain-damaged pekingese, he has only one trick and does it constantly. And he isn't good at it. But even though he drops the ball every single time, he still thinks he's getting a treat.
While I think the best answer would be to tell all of them that the world is about to be eaten by a giant mutant space-goat and congrats for getting a seat on the first ship out, given the choices, I nominate:
Silverfox
Get on the train, pal. You will be issued new clothing at the camp.
My vote goes out to Simon and the rest of his chipmunk brethren.
Hear, hear. And our boy Facilis appears to be in the same category as Simon.
I do question the plonkability of AG. I find the campaign against him to be a little unsettling. Has he crossed the threshold into terminal Insipidity? That seems to be the only bannable offense he may be charged with. He's surely innocent of Godbotting, Slagging, Spamming Sockputtetry, Morphing, Slagging, Trolling and Wanking. Is he up on charges of Stupidity? PZ's criterion: "those who seem to say nothing but stupid things get the axe." I think he's clear on this one, too, though I'm sure at least one or two of you will disagree with me on that point.
Insipidity seems to be the only possibility: "Being tedious, repetitive, and completely boring; putting the blogger to sleep by going on and on about the same thing all the time."
Still, the prospect disturbs me. There's a difference between an AG and a nasty little stinkbug like Simon.
One man's opinion, which is open to modification.
Scientism?
Fuck off!*
Louis
*This is all the intellectual argument that deserves. No such thing exists, it's an excuse made up by extreme postmodernists/fideists etc to prevent examination of the shortcomings of their claims. Creationism has no rational support. End of story. If it did, scientists would listen. It doesn't. We don't. Fallacious claims insinuating the "truth is somewhere in the middle" don't count. The "truth", as far as such an entity can be entertained, is predicated upon the reliable, reproducible, rational evidence. Assertions by fiat do not count.
I am so stealing that.
Sigh...the challenge was :
Pete went over by almost 300 words and barely touched on the subject, Kwok mentioned his school's principal in his answer, and Africangenesis used the opportunity to criticize everyone but himself.
This is pathetic.
Chop John Kwok
Can I vote for Barb again? Is there a deeper level of the dungeon? No? Sigh...
In that case, my vote goes to Simon. I couldn't find the quote someone mentioned where he asked PZ how many abortions his wife had, but his "Free HIV guaranteed" comment was not funny, not cool, and seriously uncalled; and that's what clinched my vote for him.
But I gotta say, it was a damn close vote between Simon and Pete Rooke. Few things can piss me off quite like people casting judgments on things that A: they know nothing about, and B: don't concern them. And way, way...WAY too many people in this country are uptight about sex as it is. And yes, I've seen more people hurt by those attitudes than any dangerous or "unnatural" sex act.
So I vote Simon this round, but Pete better start extolling the virtues of how more oral sex can better society, or I'm gunning for him in round three!
@259 "I am so stealing that."
Thanks,EV. I actually worked on that for a few minutes to get just the right note of pathetic annoyance in there.
JefferyD,
I would be happy to meet you and have a drink while experiencing each other's corporal-sensual presence (see previous post).
Simon
Kwok. He was a close second last time and his incorrigible behavior in the second Survival thread did nothing to help him.
Simon is still annoying and Facilis has moved up just for his stupid comment in the pope-thread.
Seriously, contestants do you think everything you write is absolutely perfect? Have you made any mistakes while here on Pharyngula?
If so, simply write about those mistakes and how you think they effected other people. Then write on how you wish to improve. Honestly, not hard. You don't need to quote a list of people you know, rant about science, or quote Sartre. We are just looking for you to show a bit of self-awareness, considerations of others, and an interest in improving.
If you don't think you've made a single mistake then you deserve to lose.
Pete, double fail for plagiarism!
I love it!!
In an attempt to gain immunity, Pete posted a comment that included the term "scientism".
Come on people, that's adorable!!
I've said it before, and I don't understand it myself but, I kinda like having Pete around.
I think that Kwok's apology shows that he understands exactly why he drives us crazy, so he passes the challenge.
Still working my way through the comments, but I'm satisfied by the responses from Kwok and Rooke (although his was a little long).
@ Feynmaniac -
What you and others fail to understand is that the school's principal is a science teacher himself and teaches a rigorous freshmen-only introductory physics course to a select group of freshmen. The overall quality of American public secondary school science education would improve dramatically if other principals followed in his lead by pledging - and then ensuring - that no forms of creationism, including Intelligent Design, would be taught in their schools.
Much to my amazement in early December 2007 I received an unsolicited e-mail from William Dembski. He was bragging how he knew scores of Texas high school principals who wanted Intelligent Design only - not including evolution - to be taught in their schools. When I told him about the pledge made during the Dover trial by my high school's current principal, he couldn't answer when I asked him how many of his Texas principals taught science too.
Simon and his fecal fetish need to go.
How More Oral Sex can Better Society
ooh, another good book title.
no worries, I'll put your name in the acknowledgments.
Facilis, after what he wrote
"I hate distributing condoms. Its like saying "Those Africans and children are animals without the self-control to stop themselves from having sex."
I agree with the pope that it would enhance the problem of promiscous sex ,which is very wrong. We should have more programs promoting abstinence and self-control"
Dumb fuck...
Sorry, I must have forgotten to close the tab. I only wanted the name Kwok to be bold...
Feynmaniac's #261 does raise good points, but I would counter by saying that AG's comment was not an attempt at answering the challenge.
Simon
simon
JeffreyD - Please make sure this meeting is in a very public place. Tell us when you're going. And check in afterwards.
I am voting for Silver Fox not only because of his inane remarks here, but especially for his rather bizarre comments that he left over at PT several months ago.
What you and others fail to understand is that the school's principal is a science teacher himself
WEEEOOOOSSSHHH!
that response shows just how far this challenge is over the head of the Kwokster.
Internal monologue much, John?
Well, I'm sticking with my original write-in candidate:
Silver Fox
The Rooke.
Scientism, forsooth!
This is pathetic.
On the one hand, I agree. On the other, it is a very hard challenge. Criticizing oneself is always difficult.
Kwok, by a mile: a dillweed who should be banned from the Internet entirely.
Laura
"I'm a lesbian... eating bacon... any offers for the oral sex? ;)"
That depends...will you share the bacon?
AG has to get my vote - I think it's the pretense that is so bad. That, and thread hijacking.
Second - the Rookster
Pete:
Like Kahn, you keep missing the point. Your beliefs are fucking bullet proof. No amount of rational, factual, observable evidence seems to be enough. Worse, you don't even try. Instead of dealing with evidence, you keep retreating to belief - not the same thing.
Simon is so stupid - no problemo.
You know SF is going to post drivel
The rest - save them for later abuse.
I vote for John Kwok.
He sometimes espouses views that I agree with but he presents himself so badly that I am ashamed to be associated with them when he is posting. I don't want others to be put off by such views simply because an idiot is espousing them.
Steve_C: Ah yes. Cool.
amazing. three attempts at the immunity challenge, but all failed, with kwok coming closest to getting it.
@ Ichthyic -
Others, not yours truly, have emphasized how important my high school alma mater is, by referring to it themselves in the past two days. If it hasn't sunk in yet, then take a look here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuyvesant_High_School
It is the oldest "magnet" school of its kind in the country, and among the first - if not the very first - to emphasize the teaching of science, mathematics and engineering.
Just think for a moment please. Wouldn't it make a lot of sense to remind opponents of evolution that a science teacher who is the head of America's premier science and mathematics-oriented high school has pledged that Intelligent Design creationism will never be taught there as long as he continues serving as the school's principal?
"This is pathetic.
On the one hand, I agree. On the other, it is a very hard challenge. Criticizing oneself is always difficult."
This is so true, and being on a troll list already indicates that you are a bit unaware of your impact on others.
I'm going to stand up a little bit for Pete's big rambling and obtuse post. I think if he got more specific, I mean gave it a few hundred more words, he might come up with a thesis for that. Then he could delete a few thousand of the words that follow it and actually have a point. I'm actually kind of impressed.
Continued profiles
Silver Fox Dumb, annoying git who keeps asking for questions about basic science he could easily look up on his own. Posts have a low idea-to-word ratio. Was so disappointed when he didn't make it to Survivor: Pharyngula that he gave a bunch of sophistic arguments until we let him play. Pathetic.
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Africangenesis Spouts long unintelligible rants dealing with pseudoscience and Libertarianism. His fellow Libertarians have disowned him. Denounces everyone who disagrees with him as a 'leftist anarchist'. During immunity challenge was asked to show some ability for self-reflection. He used the opportunity to criticize everyone but himself. Is like Rorschach from Watchmen, only creepier.
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Oh FFS, J*hn Krock o' shit!
For the love of everything scientific, get the fuck over yourself. You don't seem to get that nobody cares about your personal connection to anyone! Quite frankly, the thought of you personally connected to a sentient being strikes me as a) repulsive and b) unlikely.
Africangenesis, you said you were "full of wonder and curiosity and willingness to learn."
Do you really think that's true?
Pete, were you born into a family that practices the same religion you currently practice?
Pete Rooke, re your #265 ("I would be happy to meet you and have a drink while experiencing each other's corporal-sensual presence"), not asking for a date, son. (laughing)
OK, being serious, I won't ask where you are on an open thread, so you need to contact me at keltixx at yahoo dot com and we can set something up (public email, even trolls can write stupid things if they wish, my spam filters are excellent). I am currently in Birmingham, but get down to London as needed. In fact, planning to meet one of the great Pharyngula mainstays down there at the end of this month (yes, I know I need to reply to your email (grin)). I am also free most weekends to travel a reasonable distance, couple of hours by train.
We will meet in a public location. I will wear a white sport coat with a pink crustacean and carry a rolled up copy of the Dead Sea Scrools, on papyrus. The code phrase is, "the duck howls at midnight" and your reply is "I have a cunning plan". I prefer places that sell alcohol, coffee will do in a pinch. Bacon is always acceptable.
Ciao
Simon, for all the aforementioned reasons.
@ Aquaria -
Shut the F**K up yourself.
I heard the school's principal make this pledge at an alumni gathering that was held while the 2005 Kitzmiller vs. Dover Area School District trial was in progress. Another alumnus asked him if Intelligent Design would ever be taught at the school. The school's principal gave a thoughtful response, and the only reasonable one he could give as a science teacher.
P. S. I don't know him. I've spoken to him a few times at alumni meetings.
Geeze Kwok.
Give it a rest. Stop living the glory days. High School is over. What have you done since then???
Oh shit, nevermind. I really don't care.
I'm sure I posted a comment that'll show up later - but I'm not going to type it again.
Vote for Simon. John Kwok's name dropping just makes him look like an attention-seeking tool who has nothing of his own to attract it. He'll get bored and wander off eventually.
The others are irritating but can serve as fodder for why their particular beliefs/worldviews/concepts are so fractally wrong and only supported in their deranged imaginations. However, if they can be asked to restrain blathering on about those in threads pertaining to related topics then they should be allowed to stay.
Simon.
My first thought was Pete Rooke, but then I read Feynmaniac's post (#19). Ugh!
I voted for Kwok, but if he wins the immunity challenge my second choice would be Africangenesis.
Though I'm seriously tempted to name Kwok for the asinine Facebook threat, or Pete Rooke for general stupidity, I'm voting for Simon. 'Good' trolls can serve as training dummies; a way to beginners and veterans to practice sharpening their skills, and to help people further realize their views and opinions.
As for Simon, well, there's repressed homosexuality there beyond the dreams of psychiatrists.
@ Steve_C -
Under no circumstances do I want any teacher teach Intelligent Design or other forms of creationism either at my high school OR AT other New York City public high schools. Yes, high school was a long time ago, but I don't want any current New York City public school student to be subjected to intellectual child abuse from the Dishonesty Institute.
Get the picture? If you don't then why don't you shut the F**K up too?
SC, OM of the beautiful mind, re your #279, see my note back to him, public of course. Send me a note and I will tell you when planned and how it went. I would never discuss a personal meeting on this blog, unless it was truly hilarious, of course. No, not even then, I am the soul of discretion. Besides, I might need plausible deniability.
Friends help you move, good friends help you move bodies.
Ciao, my lovely anarchist.
Dammit Kwok
"I have persistently put irritating, pompous, self-regarding posts here. I have brought up old quarrels and had them all over again. And again. I have name-dropped in every post, and mentioned my school and college in every sentence. I have used the phrases alma mater and alumni. (And I have added something in brackets that refutes everything I've just said)"
There - how hard was that?
Rookey: you should be able to put forward something a little more truthy than that, surely? You're an apologetics kind of guy, aren't you? Well then you'll be used to lying for a cause. Put a bit of effort in, man, or that cosmic blowjob will never be yours!
The bead's still on Simon until he twirls. After reading #243, my aim swings over to the Rooke after I nab the Kwok.
Just to put him out of his tedious misery.
Africangenesis and Pete "Pleasureless Sex" Rooke have both made excellent arguments in this thread for why they should receive my vote. However, despite Sven's excellent post on the subject of John Kwok and what may be wrong with the guy, I have to vote for John again. The image of him asking his Facebook friends to drop Myers because he banned him is just too tempting.
So - I vote for John Kwok.
Crazy Kwok wrote:
Because he's not under thread of being banned, dumbass. If you want to keep posting here - I have no idea what you're trying to achieve by doing so but you seem to want to stay - then insulting people isn't going to help your cause.
And just write 'fuck', John. We don't care if baby Jesus cries.
Why can't one woman marry two men, one man two women, or any combination up from that? Surely the lawyers will love such scenarios - Louis
I think you answered your own question right there, Louis!
On the dungeon contest, I'm torn between Simon, Facilis and (after reading his ravings about Obama elsewhere), John Kwok. I think Scatalogical Simon just shades it!
Oh for fuck's sake Kwok. You really don't get it. Everything you post is like you're patting yourself on the back.
You could talk about keeping ID out of schools without ever mentioning how fucking fantastic your OLD school is.
The fact that ID isn't taught at your, special, super great, HEY THE BEASTIE BOYS WENT THERE TOO school, isn't a big deal. There's no chance ID would make it into the New York City Public schools anyway.
Uhg.
John Kwok,
Please switch your brain to RECEIVE.
Idea one: the posters and regular lurkers at Pharyngula have notched up some thousands of years of life.
Idea two: in the course of that many will have met people who are powerful, important, interesting.
Idea three: most of the time they don't mention it. Why? Because in most cases it is not relevant to the discussion.
Idea four: when contact with another human is relevant, as in discussions with another scientist, they mention the name but they don't make a big deal of it.
That's the rule of thumb here - one you would be wise to follow.
OK?
No, John no.
*Sighs*
Look, how many fingers am I holding up?
*Holds up 6 fingers"
AfricanGenesis: the tedious threadjacking counts as wanking...
Kwok, continues on, heedlessly rambling.
truly the sound of one hand clapping.
@ Wowbagger, OM -
I'm probably going to voted off anyway, so I'll defend myself whenever I deem it necessary. As for mentioning that word, I'd rather not spell it out in full.
PS You should read the novel "The Diviners". The author had a rather hilarious means of contending with a NYC-based critic - who was writing book reviews for my hometown's august newspaper - by lampooning him as a fictional character. I think I'll follow in that author's lead after I am finished revising a novel-in-progress.
Another vote (first this round, no duplicates, does this count, PZ are you INSANE?) for Simon.
And a Molly Award nomination for:
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2009/03/survivor_pharyngula_day_thre…
Just how many round of this are you doing? Will there be just one left at the end of the week?
Get rid of Facilis for his anti-condom Papist garbage.
Ben#294,
"Africangenesis, you said you were "full of wonder and curiosity and willingness to learn."
Do you really think that's true?"
What else would be the point of challenging myself and following the primary literature? As a skeptic, I don't want to hold a position without being aware of what is assumed and what the uncertainty of the evidence is. But that doesn't mean I can't look forward to the publication of new results, currently that is especially in the areas of medicine, climate science, genomics (neaderthals!), alternative energy and energy efficiency and cosmology (dark matter and dark energy). regards,
My vote goes for Simon, should by some miracle he win immunity then Pete Rooke instead.
John Kwok seems harmless and isn't a theist so really should he be on this list at all? Is being annoying in itself sufficient reason?
*Holds up 6 fingers"
I see 4 lights...
I vote to consign SIMON to the dungeon. My second choice is John Kwok. These two posters are in desperate need professional help. I disagree with others on the list, but that alone is not reason enough for dungeonization.
OT- a researcher looks at creationist terms (baramin) and says 'Oooh, sciency!' A theist looks at a theory they do not try to understand and says: 'that's scientism.'
I was scrolling up and already laughing from JeffreyD's comment, then that made me laugh till I cried. Something about the thought of it.
JeffreyD:
I just meant a "back at the hotel in one piece" post. Those analogies aren't easy to forget, and I'm a worrier.
:)
Ciao, dear man.
I come here to explore the implications of human evolution for society and morality, full of wonder and curiosity and willingness to learn. - Africangenesis [Emphasis added.]
There's a point at which lack of self-awareness becomes sublime. Africangenesis has reached this point!
@ Steve_C -
Only a delusional mind like yours would insist that I am patting myself in the back by stating how wonderful my high school alma mater is.
That's not what I have been saying, idiot. Instead, I have noted that the principal of America's premier high school of science, mathematics and technology has pledged that Intelligent Design creationism WILL NEVER BE TAUGHT at his school as long as he continues serving as its principal.
I don't care if the school is named "PZ Myers High School", "Charles Darwin High School", or, as is the case, "Stuyvesant High School".
Just get it into your thick skull. Repeat after me:
The principal of America's best high school of science, mathematics and technology has pledged that Intelligent Design creationism will never be taught there while he serves as the school's principal. Maybe other high school principals should take the same pledge too. If they did, perhaps the overall quality of American science secondary school education would begin to improve.
John Asperger Kwok :
Can you comprehend that right now, we want to talk about something else than your high school, can't you ?
It is not that difficult. People talk about lot of different things. One, or a few at time. Right now, we are not talking about your high school. We are talking about something else. Do you understand ?
OK.
So we are NOT talking about your high school. And we don't want to talk about it because we have different matters to discuss. SO it is really inappropriate from you to keep going about it. Are you still with me ?
So, if you want to talk about your high school, kindly ask just once, and if we say no, then we want not talk about it, and you have to go find someone else who will.
Otherwise we will just get angry and won't talk about it anyway.
So, please, stop talking about it. RIght now,
"...The footnotes for my nineteenth book. This is my standard procedure for doing it. And while I compose it, I'm also reviewing it!"
Kwok's a real nowhere man, sitting in his nowhere land, making all his nowhere plans for nobody.
It's where Kwok belongs. The Boob has my sympathy, and my vote.
I vote for Simon
Post #19 was very helpful. Continuing with my "Fuck the Homophobes" platform, Simon appears to be the leading choice. I encourage everyone to consider the "Fuck the Homophobes" voting strat -- you just keep picking homophobes until it doesn't apply. Then you win! ....and start picking the most repetitive troll, or the most unoriginal troll. It's like artificial selection.
Simon must go.
Pete "never inflict oral sex" Rookie amuses me and sometimes appears to almost have a functioning sense of humour.
His Kwokishness is so over-the-top he's a parody of himself without apparently trying.
Simon, no question.
He's just too vile to keep around any longer, especially with the extreme homophobia and anal sex obsession (though having to scroll past those idiotic cut-and-pastes is enough to earn him a permanent dungeon cell in my book).
@ T_U_T -
You're suffering from bad reading comprehension. I wasn't referring to my high school, jerk. I was expressing my desire that no NYC public school student should be subjected to intellectual child abuse from the Dishonesty Institute
@ Jim # 5
Reluctantly, in light of these inane comments from those criticizing me, I must endorse your recommendation. I add that vote too, immediately after my vote for Silver Fox.
I vote for Simon
Post #19 was very helpful. Continuing with my "Fuck the Homophobes" platform, Simon appears to be the leading choice. I encourage everyone to consider the "Fuck the Homophobes" voting strat -- you just keep picking homophobes until it doesn't apply. Then you win! ....and start picking the most repetitive troll, or the most unoriginal troll. It's like artificial selection.
Simon must go.
Pete "never inflict oral sex" Rookie amuses me and sometimes appears to almost have a functioning sense of humour.
His Kwokishness is so over-the-top he's a parody of himself without apparently trying.
Put my vote in for Simon - he's a nasty little shit and he brings shame to the name of 'Simon'.
The bead's still on Simon until he twirls. After reading #243, my aim swings over to the Rooke after I nab the Kwok.
Just to put him out of his tedious misery.
I'm throwing my stone at Kwok.
John Asperger Kwok :
I wholeheartedly agree with you on that. But, we are talking about something else and dont want to talk about that particular issue right now. Do you understand ?
#174, just like in any other. We all have times when we want to be alone. We also have times when we want to be with just one or the other. Honesty is the most important part of any relationship but that is most true when you have more than 2.
To be honest it can be quite boring which is really a good thing. :)
"I was expressing my desire that no NYC public school student should be subjected to intellectual child abuse..."
YES. We got that, Field Marshal.
It's a trivially understandable implication.
Have you anything else, at all, to say, or must you bizarrely persist in restating it, like some kind of Sam-I-Am?
Ben @140
See, SEE!! First it's teh gays, and now this...oh noes!!!
We is slipperin down the slippy slope!!!
Yous is endangerin tah immoral souls.
I was expressing my desire that no NYC public school student should be subjected to intellectual child abuse from the Dishonesty Institute.
...by constantly referring to your high school.
Wankety-wank-wank-wank... your hand is so numb you obviously don't even notice anymore.
Aaaack...pardon the redundant post. Damn. What's with SB today?
Sorry my double post above (#329/333). It timed out the first way through- I backed up and waited before trying again.
If Simon gets kicked out, that will mean that my choice won each time! I'm a winner in a winner take all system!
Right now I'm leaning toward Simon (not official yet PZ), but if JK can't shut up for two days, he will be receiving my vote.
This isn't to say if PR, AG, FFF, or SF are out of the woods. If any of them does something really stupid in the next day or two, they may receive the vote.
If they are all stupid, decisions, decisions...
Feynmaniac, You are so arrogant.
"Africangenesis Spouts long unintelligible rants dealing with pseudoscience and Libertarianism"
You think because you can't understand something that it is unintelligible. Case in point, you comment here:
"I have no idea what you are talking about."
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2009/03/survivor_pharyngula_day_two…
Did it ever occur to you this might be a biology blog and some familiarity with biology might sometimes be in order? I doubt you have any idea what you mean by pseudoscience either. It is probably just words and concepts you don't understand.
"I have no idea what you are talking about."
go right on ahead, dig yourself in deeper.
Feyn also said:
Quite frankly, half of what you write is unintelligible and the other half is just plain wrong.
which I would agree with 100%
you also don't like to fix your own errors; not a sign of someone "interested in learning".
Kwok, if I never hear another word about your ever-loving high school it will be too soon. This is a vote for your removal for absolutely terminal lack of awareness.
Josh @172
And if this Simon is some made-up thing, that would be meta-disgusting, a truly depraved mind.
Anyone who "...wouldn't dream of inflicting oral sex on a woman..." has much deeper problems than an aversion to evolutionary science. Don't just dream it, do it! Once you get past your initial shyness you'll have it licked!(Take your time, anything worth doing is worth doing right.)If you can describe the taste by tomorrow I'll rescind my vote for Pete Rooke.
Feynmaniac, You are so arrogant.
The projection, it burns.
Hey AG. You are SO SAFE at the moment.
Kwok you fucktard. I GET IT. You, however, do not.
How can you be so fucking blind. The reason people want you gone is that you're so fucking pompous and want all this recognition because you went to Stuyvesant HS. You can't stop talking about it.
No one fucking cares. This is where you're supposed to show you understand WHY people want you gone. And you go and repeatedly do the exact thing everyone wants you gone for.
Normally we would PRAISE someone for actively keeping ID out of their alma mater. But from you it's just lame bullshit. ID has as much a chance in most of the NY Public School System as it does at MIT.
Plus, you had ZERO to do with your principal disregarding ID.
My vote goes for Kwok - anyone who throws up a Facebook threat like that is quite deserving of a plonk.
Wouldn't that be some sort of... prostitution?
...sounds good to me!
John Kwok
*plonk*
John Kwok, please turn off your speech to text. You appear to be accidentally transcribing your every conscious thought onto the internet...
I did not tell you to shut up, John Krockofshit. I told you to get over yourself.
I said that nobody cares about your personal connections. It doesn't matter.
That's what you just don't get.
Get your facts straight before spouting off yet more inanity.
Moron.
And you just had to contradict yourself while ironically digging that self-aggrandizing hole yet deeper, by saying so-and-so wasn't your friend, but you had "talked to him" at a few meetings.
LIke a) it matters or b) anyone but you cares?
You do not get it.
PZ, this narcissistic parasite is still #2 on my list. Behind Silver Fox.
Just for being such a tiresome wanker.
Simon, after his comments today.
Banning Petey is rather like kicking a puppy.. granted, he does piddle on your carpet quite alot. As much as he gets smacked with the verbal rolled-up newspaper on the nose, he might actually learn something by being here.
I don't share others distate for AG; the L_tarians don't annoy nearly as much as they do others on here... I'm not sure I'd classify him as the worst of the lot,either.
Kwok's a bit creepy at times, and I suspect that he'll end up gone regardless of whether or not he eventually gets my vote... I also haven't caught most of the ERV/Abbie Smith thing, so I've missed what seems to be a main element of the reason for his inclusion on the list.
Facilis needs to join Barb shortly as well.
Africangenesis,
My "I have no idea what you are talking about." was in reference to this comment of yours:
The biology wasn't so troubling as the anarchist conspiracy theory for genocide. This doesn't seem like something someone who is "full of wonder and curiosity and willingness to learn" would say. Seems more like the mad rantings of a syphilitic mind.
Back to ignoring you.
I vote for Simon, because he is a mindless, vapid, robotic idiot with no mind of his own. Either he is an unfathomably stupid human, or a robot uncomfortably close to the uncanny valley - entering from the demented fundamentalist angle. Occam's demands the former, rather than the latter.
I dislike to a high degree some of the aforementioned "commenters" and disagree with them totally and most completely. they can be very exasperating and most profoundly pig ignorant. they only come here to judge and be superior, condescending and self righteous. they have little love for the search for knowledge or "enlightenment" and are only interested in dogma.
Dumping them off the "boat" would be fun but it bothers me just the same. It just feels weird to me and I can't "vote" but that's OK. I do not control here nor do I want to. I make no judgment on anyone who does vote. This is not my house nor is it "Hyde Park Corner"
thanks
I was leaning toward Simon but John pushed me over the edge. Has to be Kwok.
/relurking
#174, just like in any other. We all have times when we want to be alone. We also have times when we want to be with just one or the other. Honesty is the most important part of any relationship but that is most true when you have more than 2.
...We also have times when we want to be with just one or the other...
well, that's just it. Is it an agreed upon "territorial" arrangement? How does one turn on and off intimacy so that one prefers to be with one sometimes and the other at other times?
how do conflicts get resolved? are there times when all three truly feel the same level of intimacy at the same time?
just to be clear, I'm defining intimacy to be beyond just the sex part of it (that's actually the easy part); I'm speaking of the genuine emotional bond; the feeling of mutual trust and respect. Is it just a matter of years of knowing each other?
OTOH, I can't imagine you would want to answer such personal questions on a public blog, or even anywhere. So don't feel obliged to do so on my account.
John Kwok
Only to see his threat carried out ;)
John, did you you say you've been having a threesome with Alma Mater and Al Lumni?
'Cos I should warn you, they say they've ever even met you.
I retract my vote from Kwok, who I now find slightly charming and amusing in his pompous l'il way, and now cast it for Simon, 'cause fuckin' hell, in the closet much? Just come out and say it, you want to be some top's toilet, and that's perfectly OK. We just don't want to read about it.
... Unless we do, and that's OK too. But not here, you socially inept fuckstick.
AG, one stupid post, you just went up a notch.
Michelle,
I am unsure of why you still vote for me (twice). I partook in the challenge and I renounced the miniskirt analogy.
Pete,
There was a 200 word limit, you went over by almost 300 words and didn't really discuss what was asked. Please read the challenge carefully and try again.
Ichthy @174
It's kind of simple, really. It requires each individual to put their partners' happiness before their own. The rest works itself out.
Delurking to vote for Simon, who is just nasty and evil, and to plead on behalf of Pete Rooke - for two reasons: 1. he's often tea-all-over-key board-amusing 2. even when he's not, I tend to feel sorry for him more than anything else - he seems like a prudish child, not a young adult, and needs to be seduced ASAP.
John Kwok 'of shit' wrote:
I hope it's less of a snore-fest of self-congratulatory blandness than your posts. You've somehow managed to create distilled soporific in text form.
Hihi
Does this whole survivor idea remind anyone else of the Stanford prison experiment or is that just me?
I'm beginning to wonder if we're not trapped in some sociological study PZ has sprung on us without mentioning it -.o;
It's okay Uncle Frogy, I'm sure you can be a conscientious objector without fear of being flamed.
OT. Barb said she was too busy to post but I wonder if Dr. Scientist Hubby exercised his right as head of the xian&trade household and forbade Barb from coming here and making him look bad on the net. Well she's banned now and the world will never know.
@ Knockgoats #311
Dammit, you know I think you might be right. But, that said, don't even lawyers deserve a little happiness? Won't someone PLEASE think of the children?
Louis
If you go by the rule that it is better to show than to tell, both Kwok and Rooke have done a brilliant job of showing why they are up for the chopping block. If you were to assume that they did this intentionally rather than out of oblivious dumbfuckery, it could be said that they passed the challenge with flying colors.
I vote for Simon
Pete, somebody (not me) gave you a good hint upthread. If you can find it, relate properly to it, and give a succinct post, you might get immunity. Otherwise, no.
SIMON None come close for the amount of hatefulness he seems to share
Well I hope you people are happy. There's an MD out there extremely pissed that his dumb-as-a-rock wife isn't busy typing away on the computer anymore.
Simon.
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ennui @268, yeah, I noticed Pete Rooke made an effort to research and synthesise his thesis (it's all a misunderstanding!) by paraphrasing snippets from others. It was too long, and the idea that it's a contrast between scientism and creationism shows he doesn't get it yet.
Still, he's really trying to meet the challenge.
A for effort.
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John Kwok wasn't on my radar until these Survivor threads, but he's put a yeoman effort into proving his he's a more than worthy candidate for plonking.
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I consider AG has done himself no favour in his attempted self-defense in this thread.
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All that said, (and pending further developments), I very much doubt I'll be voting to plonk any other commenters on that list. I'm pretty tolerant of others, as I hope others are pretty tolerant of me.
Rooke @265
corporal-sensual
I can translate: corporeal sensory
Unless the SM reference was purposeful...
@ Hideki #373:
My thought exactly, hence why I changed my mind and wrote post #42. I can't undo former involvement, nor would I attempt to change anyone else's mind on that basis (that would be concern trolling at the least) but I can stop participating in those elements I disagree with. Hence knob gags and continued bashing of bullshit (i.e. business as normal) without the voting aspect.
Louis
I vote for Simon.
My reasons should be obvious.
BTW, my high school algebra teacher was also the football coach! Beat [i]that[/i] Kwok!
Football works bitches!!!!eleven!!!
kamaka@370 Thank you very much. I have a similar situation developing in my life and your answer, though simple, was profound and enlightening in the best way, reminding one of something they already know.
Hideki:
I've requested the banning of Silver Fox, for godbotting, stupidity and insipidity, in several comment threads over the past few months. I didn't need encouragement on that score. I'm just reiterating that here. Some of the others, yeah, I've said get them outta here.
I don't know PZ's reason for doing this, but this little exercise could have quite a few purposes. It gives the snarkers a chance to really let loose and finish off some already mangled chew-toys. It encourages lurkers to speak up about the trolls that annoy them. And it sends a message to potential trolls that posting here can have some unpleasant consequences.
And it's fun. In a sadistic sort of way. If you're into that sort of thing.
My maths teacher was also my PE, English, Science and history teacher. Jack of all trades, master of f-all.
Michael @ #366,
Thank you, I haven't laughed that hard in a month!
PZ...Emergency message!!
The Kwok is TRYING to get banned so he can fame-claim his banning!!!
Hahaha...there's only one punishment for that twit...
Pete Rook: shorter challenge:
Why I have appeared to be a fuckwit and am about to be voted off Pharyngula (up to 200words)
For round 3, again, I vote for:
My maths teacher was also my PE, English, Science and history teacher. Jack of all trades, master of f-all.
were you homeschooled, by any chance?
Pete Rooke wrote:
Indeed. A good teacher might have taught you that the consistent version of that expression is 'Jack of all trades and ace of none' - keeping the playing card motif all the way through.
"My maths teacher was also my PE, English, Science and history teacher."
Really? How did that work? Most of my math teachers gave credit for your name and passed you if you missed fewer than three days of class. One of my science teachers had "problems" with aspects of science and another preferred to talk about her past affair with a student and such (she was insane). My English and History teachers were consistently great. Go figure.
Oh-- and no one famous went there. I was in the first class. Guess it's up to me to do something with my life.
Look, could the troilists just go and do their thing somewhere else?
If we must have sex talk, I vote for the lesbians. That way there's at least 33% more sassy lady.
I'm going to have to vote for simon. It would be Pete, but simon's comment about abortion in the anniversary thread was so over-the-top absolute troll, it has to win him a place in the dungeon.
I vote for AfricanGenocide, on the grounds that he has shown himself to be a foul, vile, hateful, lying, grotesque, criminally wrong piece of America-hating shit. His ability to parrot a few accuracies with regard to biology doesn't make up for the fact that he's epically wrong about everything else.
I vote for Simon. thanks for the summary, Feynmaniac.
I'm voting for Facilis. He's the only one in that list who doesn't piss me off or make me chuckle sometimes, and a boring troll is doubly useless.
And at least with the lesbians I don't feel even slightly jealous.
"Tis better to be silent and thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt" - Lincoln
Wowbagger: It sickens me to defend Pete, but the phrase jack of all trades and etc has nothing to do with cards.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_of_all_trades,_master_of_none
Facilis gets my vote. Thanks for banning Barb.
Africangenesis, for being incredibly boring, and ...
... for apparently being unable to understand anything anyone's ever said to him.
Oral Sex, Bacon, and Lesbians are three of my favorite things! While I find thread hijacking to be annoying, I support the continued presence of anyone who discusses three of my favorite things in the positive light they deserve.
Long time lurker delurking for the fun.
My vote goes for Simon solely because I think his evil is the closest in scale to Barb's.
But dear Jebus, John Kwok is pushing me. He's kind of charmingbut he reminds me of the former student body president of a high school currently working at a car dealership who can't stop thinking of how great his life was then.
Kwok, you must zip it up. The one thing that will win you a ban is if you keep spouting off so stupidly.
[pedant]
"Jack of all trades, master of none" is a figure of speech used in reference to a person who is competent with many skills but is not outstanding in any particular one.
The "Jack" here means a "man" of all trades - not to do with playing cards, phrase first recorded 1621.
[/pedant}
I _was_ going to vote for Simon, but it's become clear that Kwok has run out of things to say and yet hasn't stopped talking. This is the internet - being boring is the greatest sin. Well, that and spamming.
So here's a vote for Kwok - may his Book of Faces never run out of Frendz (TM).
It sickens me to defend Pete, but the phrase jack of all trades and etc has nothing to do with cards.
Since a "jack" referred to a generic man in the 1600's, did "jill" refer to a generic woman?
As truly annoying as these people are, I think Barb was the only one who should be banned. She stated outright that nothing we could said would make her question her faith. So her only reason for coming here was to preach and her only interaction was to say everyone else was wrong.
Not that I like defending them, but they do occasionally listen and contribute.
I am poly, & would recommend:
Polyamory:
"The Ethical Slut"
http://powells.com/biblio/2-9781890159016-1
There's a second edition out but I haven't read that one, so can't comment.
How does one work out intimate arrangements when more than two people involved?
The same way as everyone else, silly. Ask questions. Listen to answers.
Either Simon, for the same reasons as the previous thread, or Silver Fox, because he's a pompous and narcissistic apologist.
PZ, talking about trolls, I note you're being impersonated here (and again in the same thread).
So tough to choose. I think it has to be africangenesis for that special (although sadly far from unique) ability to derail an interesting thread into total wank with top speed. Hope to see a chalenge attempt too.
Ichthyic @ #409:
I believe it was a slang term for prostitute. Might be considered illuminating of 18th century attitudes...
There's an MD out there extremely pissed that his dumb-as-a-rock wife isn't busy typing away on the computer anymore.
It's ok. He's at work. The beauty of medicine as a profession is that it's always possible to find more work to do if you really want to.
Sven:
True. But I'm not sure which alternative is healthier for him, blocking him at least for a while or letting him chew on the electric cords of Pharyngula. It seems as if he's actually trying not to name-drop in this thread but it's not working out.
Perhaps there are shades of John A Davison syndrome here, so that Kwok's tendency to make you want to tear out all your hair in frustration has increased later in life? There's some evidence that it wasn't always this bad (see acknowledgments)
Since a "jack" referred to a generic man in the 1600's, did "jill" refer to a generic woman?
Yes. See also Jillstrap. Or....is that a dildo?
I'll bet you didn't get rid of the Banden Banshee by smiling at him!
When is Magical Me coming out, again? We just can't wait to read all about your latest exploits, professor.
Facilis. 'Nuff said. Now I have to go wash my brain to get rid of the stench.
This is off topic, but is anyone familiar with that naturalpathy thing where they put something your allergic to in your hand and then test your muscle strength and it's supposed to make you weaker if its harmful or whatever?
I tried looking it up but I'm not sure what it's actually called. It sounds like woo to me, I can't think of how such a thing could actually work. It's hard to argue against though because I don't know anything about it.
I believe it was a slang term for prostitute. Might be considered illuminating of 18th century attitudes...
Well, that gives whole new meaning to the "Jack and Jill" poem...
a common man and a prostitute go up a hill... to get WATER?
I think not.
One Survivor challenge would seem enough.
Simon gets my vote.
@Ariel (420):
I think you are talking about Applied Kinesiology:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Applied_kinesiology
AFAIK, it is completely woo. See, for instance:
http://www.theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php?p=102
I'm thinkin' three is better than two just for the referee. And make no mistake, the emotional intimacy loses nothing...
The agony of choice!
John Kwok. I like most of his posts over on Panda's Thumb, so he's not all bad, but his conduct here (and on ERV) has been inappropriate. (Johnny Boy, when your host asks you to stop wearing a lampshade on your head and tap-dancing on his coffee table, it's considered proper to knock it the hell off.)
If by some means he figures out why so many people find him annoying, dull, insipid, and/or creepy, or if he manages to win immunity, then consider my followup candidate to be Piltdown Man.
With extreme prejudice and all due haste, I add. And the same for any of these pissant concern trolls like little Saint Jimmy (see #5) who pop in here to whine about how unfair it is that big bad PZ actually holds these goons responsible for their chronic unwillingness to abide by the clearly stated rules.
The MadPanda, FCD
Thank you Ale. I'm going to show this to my mom, though she doesn't really get the whole peer-reviewed double blind study as opposed to anecdotes thing.
i vote for john kwok.
Kwok
He did it the old fashioned way: he earned it.
John Kwok, Ok, fool that I am, I'm going to hope we can make this a moment of personal growth here for you. Think, Dude, where did you start attracting enmity. Wasn't it when you made an actual threat--and not just any threat, but a lame facebook threat, at that?
Did you ever stop to think that maybe you could post about a highschool OTHER THAN the one you went to. And maybe you could post about something you read the SOMEONE ELSE WROTE that you found was insightful. And maybe you could highlight a comment SOMEONE ELSE made.
Dude, it's time to try and finally pass sandbox. Maybe, just maybe, it's not ALL about you. Think about it.
aauuugh this is bugging the shit out of me, am I the only one who can't figure out Rooke's
Does he mean he would never give, as inf licked
or receive, like stick it in f'licked ?
Or is the ambiguity the joke ?
-dense in Houston
@mandrake.
thanks. Just got a copy of the book you recommended.
Voting for SIMON.
Pete Rooke again.
Well, he made the statement in response to this:
Ariel,
Gullible relatives are a tricky thing - you do not want to be too confrontational to their superstitions, because they might become resistant to your input or even remove you completely form the situation (because you "really do not understand" them and so on). This is bad because it leaves them to deal with the woo totally alone, which is usually counterproductive. Be supportive with your mom - if she is bent on woo it will be difficult to sway her at first. The best result is usually to start creating a rational system of thought to supplant the magical one, while, at the same time, ensuring that she gets proper treatment in addition to the woo. Of course, if you convince her of not having AK at all that would be the best thing.
Scooter: I couldn't figure it out either. Maybe a Texas thing? It's such a weird thing to say anyway, I think the joke is... well... just Pete being Pete.
Simon. That kind of vitriolic homophobia is unacceptable to me.
Facilis.
Well after Barb is gone I feel a little better but now I am torn between John Kwok and Simon. I hate people who are too stupid to realize that being LGBT is NOT A CHOICE. So I vote for.....Simon.
(John Kwok ...next!)
Well, since Kwok is going to get himself banned with or without my vote, and I've never encountered Simon, I'll have to vote for Silver Fox for his inability to add to any thread he's ever commented in.
Pete's a pretty close second though. So keep up the good work Pete! I'm sure you can change my mind.
simon
I vote for Simon.
jasonk @403 FTW!!!
Way back in #146, I posted a quote from John Kwok and my challenge:
Since then Kwok has failed to justify why he advocates treason against the United States as well as repeatedly tooting his tin horn about his high school.
After seeing his "defense" of the historicity of Jesus a while ago, I have to vote for Simon. He's a complete waste of everyone's time.
Seeing some of his quotes regarding penis and ass just reinforces that vote. Makes me think that he's 35 years younger than he claims...
Ale, I am pretty lucky in that I'm not too surrounded by crazy relatives. My mom is partial to the new age woo, homeopathy, chiropractics, accupuncture and that sort of thing. I'm not sure she even believes it that much, she just doesn't understand why I'm so against it.
I love pharyngula, in my real life people don't get my extreme aversion to woo. Anyways, thanks for the advice. It sounds like you've walked this path before. If so, I hope you managed to avoid alienating them. Your definitely right, no one likes to hear that what they believe is stupid.
Simon.
Useless, nasty and adds nothing to the thread.
John Kwok's finishing up a novel? Perhaps we could take a page from the author's own book and review it before actually reading it.
A coming-of-age story in the rich tradition of Salinger, Chabon, Judy Blume, and Barry Williams, John Kwok's astounding first novel chronicles the journey of its protagonist (identified only as "John" or occasionally "yours truly") and his well-known classmates and fellow alumni as they negotiate the mean hallways of New York's prestigious and celebrated Stuyvesant High School and the mean quads of Rhode Island's prestigious and celebrated Brown University in search of kicks, love, and Facebook friends. "John" is mentored along the way by a certain well-known and celebrated memoirist (whose current wife is interested in evolutionary biology and macrame as well as in "John") and a fellow alumnus turned religious biology professor who remains nameless throughout the book. After graduation from prestigious and celebrated Brown University (whose other alumni include Nobel Prize winners, advisors to Presidents and classmates and fellow alumni of "John"'s from a certain celebrated and prestigious New York public high school), the plucky and repetitive protagonist takes on his life's work: battling the mendacious intellectual pornography of Intelligent Design Creationsim Borgitude via long and repetitively insightful Amazon.com reviews and incessant, redundant and highly annoying blog comments. Along the way, he gains and loses the love of his life without her even really knowing about it, but he faithfully carries a torch for her through years of lonely reviewing and commenting. In the end, all is for naught, for he is voted off a metaphorical island and in revenge, encourages his many and well-known Facebook friends to defriend his mortal enemy, the Cephalopodian Overlord of the metaphorical island. This accomplishes diddly-squat and our hero, unchastened, soldiers on toward the morrow, Stuy High banner held high and mendacious intellectual pornographer Borg drones scattering before him like discarded handouts from the celebrated writing teacher and well-known memoirist who shall remain nameless blowing like tumbleweeds down the deserted halls of the prestigious and famous-alumni-rich high school of "John," his classmates (including EPA section chiefs and Scientific American editors), and his fellow alumni. This reviewer has seldom read a first novel that uses the phrase "mendacious intellectual pornography" quite as often. This is the kind of book that comes along once, or twice, or sometimes three times in a generation, and anyone with any interest in high schools, memoirists, or mendacious intellectual pornographers will want to buy several copies and write glowing reviews at Amazon.com. It's the feel-vaguely-exasperated book of the summer!
And I almost forgot to thank the host. Thanks PZ for the entertainment of your version of Survivor. This is really fun.
I have read this blog off and on for a long time, but I haven't commented much or read many of the comments. But from what I've seen I must say that my vote falls on Simon.
He says some weird-ass things (or maybe that should be "weird ass-things" in his case), but it's the copy&paste of huge blocks of text that bothers me the most. Not because they are too long, but because it's the laziest form of trolling I've ever seen. He doesn't seem to care at all if the texts he posts have anything to do with the subject at hand, nor does he seem to listen at all to any criticism to it.
I'm an old-fashioned nerd of the kind who thinks that the Internet should be as free of censorship as possible and I normally don't support the banning of even annoying individuals, but on a blog like this I see nothing wrong in banning someone who seems utterly unable to contribute anything to the conversation.
Regarding the small off-topic conversation about polyamory, I really have to agree with kamaka @#424 who wrote:
"I'm thinkin' three is better than two just for the referee."
A referee can indeed be a very good thing. In fights and disagreements between two people in a relationship, it is often very good to have a third intimately involved person who can mediate and help the arguing parties see each others' points of view.I have seen this in action and it can work very well.
I'm changing my vote from Silver Fox to Africangenesis. In addition to his pompous idiocy, he ended a sentence with a verb and that will not do. BTW, had no idea Silver Fox was a man. I must have missed the post where he identified himself as such. He still reminds me of my detested grandmother, though.
Real Name #448 for the win!
@Real Name - brilliant!
PZ, an idea for next immunity challenge:
Choose one of your fellow 5 contestants. Give one compliment to that contestant, one criticisms, and one way that contestant can improve their posts, all in under 200 words.
These people seem to be incapable of self-assessment, let's see how they are at assessing one another. The results should be interesting.
Man, reality shows bring out the worst in me.
Diane @451
He still reminds me of my detested grandmother, though.
I had one of those, the nasty bitch.
But the interesting point, you were unsure of the maleness?? Absolutely an asshole *male*. Women don't end sentences with verbs. NEVER.
@#318 A Molly nom? For me! My first!! *bats eyes*1
Kwok, you are really pushing the envelope. I may have to change my vote...
1. a man my size, with my general level of hairiness, batting his eyes? Never a pretty sight.
I can quit reading the "creationists go to the Smithsonian" thread as Barb "the bland babbler" has been banished.
I will abstain from the current vote until tomorrow as the person I vote for may pass the immunity test. (Really, I can't decide who should go.)
I'm voting for Africangenesis.
Too much of his AGW Liberturdian nonsense has been spewed over every thread imaginable.
Good riddance. (and it will save me a killfile!)
I must admit that Pete Rooke, my front runner in the 1st round, is showing a side of himself that is charming in a creepy way, but charming none the less, with a bit of potty humor thrown in.
This time around, I find myself torn. On the one hand, Silver Fox is an astoundingly dense godbotter and annoying as all get-out. Kwok is a self-aggrandizing name dropper who Fails To Get It. But, exasperating as his hubris is, he is, after all, OUR self-aggrandizing name dopper. I'm willing to forgive the bad image he gives the anti-ID crowd simply because he is anti-ID. Even if he repeats this fact over and over and over and over and over again.
Screw it, this Wolfhound has become a Foxhound. The Fox must go!
It's the feel-vaguely-exasperated book of the summer!
ROFLMAO
No? What about "I do"? Or is that beginning a sentence?
Real Name #448
Well done.
Dear PZ
Can we continue Survivor for a whole season? I'd like to send Simon(ass-love), Silver(cannot disprove Ra)Fox, and ever-so-friendful John Kwok directly to the dungeon.
There are more ('J' comes to mind), so I'm waiting with bated breath for the next installment!
You respectful poster
Tony
Damn, not 20 posts after I mention africangenesis pulling a Kwok, he goes and does it. Fortunately for him, Kwok couldn't stand to be upstaged and posted again about his high school and its principal, as if anyone here gave a damn about it.
Honestly, I have to hand it to Simon, he at least hasn't had the idiocy to try to defend himself in this thread by continually expounding his homophobia and weird sexual obsessions. As Kel quoted form Lincoln, "'Tis better to be silent and thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt." Kwok and anfricangenesis just can't help themselves I guess though. On the other hand though, Pete has attempted to answer in earnest, failing nonetheless, but I think for him, an honest attempt is progress, so he will continue to be on my personal 'not ban-worthy' list for now. Not to mention he says some of the funniest things
Africangenesis. Weapons-grade insipid.
No? What about "I do"? Or is that beginning a sentence?
I'm thinkin' that particular unfinished sentence was created by males for females...
*snickers quietly*
"Women don't end sentences with verbs. NEVER."
I don't know how true that is.
So, I disagree.
Real Name - Bravo! (Brava?)
Are we voting again? Didn't we do that last night?
Simon, then, for being extremely distateful and yet, unlike Brownian, utterly devoid of redeeming characteristics.
After this round of plonking, can we take a step back and review what it is we've done, and why? How many more rounds of culling are planned, anyway?
I'm going for Kwok, but only because someone else called him "Kwok of shit", which I really liked at first, laughed very hard, but then I didn't like it because I don't like baby-speak but I started talking like that to my cats. So logically I blame John Kwok.
LOL!
Is anyone else disappointed that Cuttlefish hasn't voted?
It would probably be funny and poetical.
Where can I get a "Fuck the Homophobes" T-Shirt? Might need it the next time Fred Phelps comes to town.
Pete Rooke,
While I wouldn't go so far as to volunteer to stand as a character witness for you, I will say that I think it would be a shame if you were plonked. I may be rashly optimistic, but I don't think that you are irredeemably stupid, just naive and mistaught, and overly convinced that you are/must be right; if you are indeed but a youth (to lapse into slight pomposity), these are things you could, with a little initiative, grow out of. I think you could get a lot of good out of hanging out here, if your skin is thick enough.
Losing the creepy analogies would be a step in the right direction (I admit, I don't follow every thread, but I don't recall seeing the Old Perennials lately).
I wasn't planning on voting for multiple banishments in such a short time - let's not lose ALL the funnies at once, but Kwok's continuing obtuseness on this thread has made me change my mind. If it walks like a Kwok, and quacks like a Kwok, and looks like a Kwok...
Kwok
I have ignored his rants on most blogs I have seen him on (ERV, Panda's Thumb, etc.) but did some research on him after following some links to his ravings yesterday. His Amazon profile is quite revealing: he is an underacheiver and is attempting to compensate.
and the Rodney Dangerfield award goes to
How old is the Rookester, anyway? When he first showed up I figured he was 40-something, maybe 50. Didn't he claim to be a pastor or something? Now it comes out that he's a "youth"? Like Walton? College-aged perhaps?
Not too long ago the (aptly named) Rookie claimed to be twenty two.
Vote: Banish Simon. Muzzle Kwok. Put Silverfox on notice.
Tax Religion. More DIScern trolls, Less CONcern trolls!
Tark
Oh! Ok then. Very close to Walton's age. He's around 21 now I guess. Not that far behind me, either.
I miss Etha. :-|
Ok Tark, that's enough with the flashies, already.
(the above does not apply to lesbians, of course)
Re: the 'jack of all trades' info - thanks for that; whenever it was I'd first heard it it was with the Jack/Ace dichotomy, which I quite liked. It always seemed to make sense, and I've never had occasion to look into it any further.
Apologies to Pete Rooke's English/PE teacher - well, for that slur anyway; I'd still like to ask him to explain why he never taught Pete anything about the use of analogies...
I have a creeping suspicion that indiscriminate use of the flashing font and gumby background is going to lead to no use of the flashing font and gumby background.
We can't have nice things.
Tark...
Stop, please stop with the flashy things...
They make good bookmarks, but they're dreadful...
Although I do share your enthusiasm for lesbians...
Who doesn't love oral sex, bacon and lesbians???
Me too! Especially lesbians wrestling in bacon grease, which leads to... oh never mind.
Simon. He just loves poop.
Humble apologies all. A kid with a new toy ....
Kinda like Pete Rooke and his penis ...
Or Kwok with his penis IN his rolodex ...
Or SilverFox with God's penis in his mouth ...
(and now wondering if I have aged myself incredibly with rolodex reference. Sigh. I do remember the bacon though...
and the odd lesbian. The even ones were a bit off.)
Tax Religion. Normal programming resumes forthwith.
Tark
Simon should take a lesson from the < a href="http://www.homestarrunner.com/vcr_poop.html">poopsmith and try a vow of silence!
John Kwok.
What the hell are you anyway? Is this just one long tribute to Al Bundy? Assuming, for the sake of argument, that you have actually matriculated, I have a question...
Based on your writing "style" i cannot imagine that your head wasnt repeatedly used to clean the toilets of your high-school so why, oh dear god why, must you KEEP FCUKING REFERENCING IT IN EVERY BLEEDING (other) POST?
And many thanks to Dustin at #483 for a bark out loud David Cedaris reference. Nicely Done.
Tax Religion. Me lurk quieter one day.
Tark
I love bacon, even though my diet won't let me have it. I'm a great fan of oral sex, both giving and receiving. And I am a lesbian. Lesbians dream of making love to women, I dream of making love to women, so I must be a lesbian.
John Kwok? He used to play for the Phillies, didn't he?
You might be conflating him with Fr.J who showed up around the same time in the cracker threads, although I think Fr.J might have been disappearing around the time that Pete became most active.
The open thread a couple days shows a more human side to Rooke, at least later in the thread (after he nominated Janine, Nerd of Redhead and Patricia for expulsion, petitioned PZ to add a profanity filter to the blog, claimed that the problem with religion is that it has bad PR, and indicated that he doesn't approve of mixed gender work enviornments based on their portrayal in a TV show, and complained that Evil Dead wasn't religious enough for him).
For instance, in #494, he contributes a recipe, and apart from reacting badly to video posted by Janine, generally seems to be getting along with people. At #614, and a few later posts, he seems to open up a bit. He also seems to have a greater range of musical tastes than Walton.
In the last little while he does seem to be making an effort. It's just unfortunate that his religious upbringing has left him with so many hangups around sex (see Oral Sex, I would never inflict), but while he seems to place religion and Catholicism in general on a pedestal, I can't remember him ever quoting scripture as though it would hold any weight with us. While I find many of his opinions offensive, or just ludicrous, he seems more redeemable than someone like Simon, Facilis or Silver Fox.
John Kwok. Still for the same reasons.
I have yet to read that.
I also don't seem to have been on the same threads as simon much.
ROTFL! So he believed German spelling is logical just because it's more logical than the English one? On which thread was that? :-D
Because he/she/it/squid is too stupid to read the error message!
I bet he's already banned. Compare him to a couple dungeon inhabitants.
I scream: "Ice cream!"
-- First-year textbook of English as a foreign language.
You misunderstand. This is not a trial. It's a reality show.
Either succeed at the Immunity Challenge, or heed the advice of what is now comment 162 but will probably move upthread.
Oh, I wouldn't call that sexism. I'd call it sheer ignorance. It isn't long ago (maybe a year or two) that I even learned of the existence of man-giving-woman (probably right here on Pharyngula); my imagination is way too pathetic* to come up with it on its own.
* As a vertebrate paleontologist, I don't need no stink'n' imagination. Reality pwnz0rz any fiction any day of the week and twice on Sundays. Off the top of my head -- adelogyrinids? Hello? Who ordered those?!? What next, champsosaurs...?
That wasn't by him!
Comment 271, on the other hand, is by him. Either that, or copypasta of a comment by him.
Comment 291 seems to be parody again...
OK, I give up. If he's voted off, maybe the parodies will stop. AAAAARRRRRGH!!!
LOL!
Somehow I doubt the papyrus...
You should not have tried again. You should have read the error message, gone back to back up, and then just refresh. Read the error message to find out why this makes sense.
Yes, yes, and you went there. And you can drop names.
Now, get it through your thick skull: a. WE DON'T FUCKING CARE; and, b. name dropping is generally recognized as part of an immature or defective personality.
But while I would never name drop, I could name drop. I'm seriously fucking connected IRL. Hell, I could use my relatives from my vast family. One was the head of one of the worlds largest non-religious charitable organzation for decades. Two were olympians, one of whom won a gold and bronze medal. Four have played in the NFL, though only one had a meritorious career. A cousin manages a AAA baseball team and may end up in the majors, as a manager, someday. My grandfather, nearly two-decades after his death is still so well regarded in his industry that the just published a 40-page biographical article in a journal that started with his business ventures starting during his teen years and ended at his death. I could drop my uncle who worked at Lawrence Livermore (PhD Physics) and knew all kinds of great phycists, though he never got that noteriety. I could talk about my cousin who is a partner in Ernst Young or her father who is one of those elite-echelon banker fellows at one of the giant banks that people are a bit ticked at right now...
I could drop all kind of names. Rich relatives, powerful relatives, famous relatives; yet I clearly recognize how incredibly childish it would be and how it would, ultimately, reduce my ability to make any kind of point without being subject to derision and scorn, if not being completely ignored. In short, all of my participation would be meaningless if all I could do was blather on about my family and all of its accomplishments.
And this, Horatio, is why you're up for the vote. Because you keep blabbing about famous people who went to your high school.
We get it. We don't care. We think it makes you look like a prawn.
I vote for Simon. He's just sick in the head.
Real name you're a genius.
And I am a lesbian. Lesbians dream of making love to women, I dream of making love to women, so I must be a lesbian.
No, you dream of watching lesbians making love to women. That makes you an ordinary wanker.
Here's hoping he comes to Colorado, and soon.
Clint Hurdle is an idiot.
Rookie, I am going to do you a favor. Hit this link. For your own sake, do not watch the slideshow, just listen to the song. Take it to heart. Sing out.
I want to be seduced!